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Camp David wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Well he keeps on trying to bring peace to all the nations...

You were being sarcastic here yes?

Hank Rearden wrote:

Camp David wrote:

Would Jesus Christ approve? I believe he would.

(snip)

They want the United States to remain a selfish nation, not engage in spreading democracy, and not fight against terror. Such actions may yield more acts of terror here on the homefront: more civilians dead.

Jesus Christ, Son of God, said
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:  for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.  Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Jesus would not approve.

And, to be honest, if this so-called "Christian" country...and much of the rest of the so-called "Christian" west would spread good rather than ill (that is, if our nations were to truly be unselfish in the JC manner rather than in the proposed manner of unselfish "helping ourselve" to oil and other resources) there would me many less problems worldwide.

Why do you hate America so much?

Hank Rearden wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Why do you hate America so much?

Actually, over my two years here, I have learned to love and to understand this fantastic more than before.

I worry about where it is currently heading, but I have faith that the wonderful people here will turn things around.  In Canada, and elsewhere, you probably get a pretty stereotyped view of a homogenous population here.  That could not be further from the truth.  Things will change, and America will be an even better place.  I hope, though, that that change does not take its time in coming.

Believe it or not, I absolutely adore America and its citizens. Despite my reliable criticism of its government -- in which I partake because I have high expectations for it -- I'm constantly, and angrily, defending the US of A. Kinda wacky, I guess, but it's true.

An incredible country, with incredible accomplishments that, despite its dark side (and what country doesn't have a dark side) remains an amazing place (and people).

Cyberpawz wrote:

obtuse wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

No, I mean the Christ.

IIRC, one of the signs of the antichrist is that he brings a great peace to the nations.

So Kofi is the Anti-Christ?

No, Bush is.

The most important thing to remember is that this is not a 'Holy War'. It is not a matter of Christianity against Islam. The insurgents and various terrorists want it to be just that. It is a collection of governments against a collection of extremists. Although it has danced dangerously close to the edge of it, it is not yet another 'Crusade'. Many of the men and women fighting are not fighting because they feel a need to 'purify the heathen'. They are doing so because their primary job is the defense of our country. It is their duty to follow orders, not to 'take up the cross'. Often the intent of the government is not the same as the military. Soldiers do their duty because that is what they are paid to do. The leaders make the decisions and the policies, if anyone has a moral dilemma it would fall on them. The soldier is merely a player in a grander game.

Donovan Osaya wrote:

...President Jackson as the jackass who shouldn't be on the $20 bill... etc.
...

That's funny. I'm actually a decendant of Andrew Jackson. It's sort of bittersweet, heheh. On the one hand it's something to be proud of, having a President in the family and all, but his trackrecord wasn't the best.

Donovan Osaya wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Hank Rearden wrote:

Actually, over my two years here, I have learned to love and to understand this fantastic more than before.

I worry about where it is currently heading, but I have faith that the wonderful people here will turn things around.  In Canada, and elsewhere, you probably get a pretty stereotyped view of a homogenous population here.  That could not be further from the truth.  Things will change, and America will be an even better place.  I hope, though, that that change does not take its time in coming.

Believe it or not, I absolutely adore America and its citizens. Despite my reliable criticism of its government -- in which I partake because I have high expectations for it -- I'm constantly, and angrily, defending the US of A. Kinda wacky, I guess, but it's true.

An incredible country, with incredible accomplishments that, despite its dark side (and what country doesn't have a dark side) remains an amazing place (and people).

We're bizarre as a country, and our policies in the classrooms.

Middle East and the Crusades will get covered, but little on anything relating to Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears, the concept of Manifest Destiny, President Jackson as the jackass who shouldn't be on the $20 bill... etc.

I vote that we have more skeletons in our closet than the rest of the world in events that don't include us. Combined.

Are you nuts? In a world full of genocide and brutal totalitarianism, Wounded Knee is bush league. Not to trivialize that, of course.

Every country has skeletons in its closet. At the moment most seem happy to pretend that isn't true, focusing their ire on the oh-so-naughty United States. Hark at the Germans getting all hoity-toity. The Germans!

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Are you nuts?

Geez, I thought you'd know me by now. YES.

In a world full of genocide and brutal totalitarianism, Wounded Knee is bush league. Not to trivialize that, of course.

I think we've negatively contributed to nearly all of them that continue and have occurred since our founding.

Every country has skeletons in its closet. At the moment most seem happy to pretend that isn't true, focusing their ire on the oh-so-naughty United States. Hark at the Germans getting all hoity-toity. The Germans!

Random thought.

"AC: This same mural extends over to another mural which depicts all of the children of the world taking the weapons from each country on earth and giving them to a central figure which is a German boy who has this iron fist and anvil in his hand that is totally out of proportion to the child's body, beating the swords into plowshares. I thought, well, this is very odd depicting a German child doing this. What all this symbology on the airport murals seems to convey is that not only do we have a secret society behind this, but that it is a German secret society behind this, working in the vicinity of this New World Control Center.
DA: It is interesting when you consider Operation Paperclip wherein all these Nazis were brought to the United States to be groomed, financed, and basically brought back into power.
AC: Well, I know they're here, because I have seen them along side the Americans in the more sensitive areas of the airport. But, these paintings are most disturbing and very unusual."

jax wrote:

Donovan Osaya wrote:

...President Jackson as the jackass who shouldn't be on the $20 bill... etc.
...

That's funny. I'm actually a decendant of Andrew Jackson. It's sort of bittersweet, heheh. On the one hand it's something to be proud of, having a President in the family and all, but his trackrecord wasn't the best.

The way Jackson partied we all could be decended from him.

Pariah wrote:

jax wrote:

Donovan Osaya wrote:

...President Jackson as the jackass who shouldn't be on the $20 bill... etc.
...

That's funny. I'm actually a decendant of Andrew Jackson. It's sort of bittersweet, heheh. On the one hand it's something to be proud of, having a President in the family and all, but his trackrecord wasn't the best.

The way Jackson partied we all could be decended from him.

Agreed, but he looks just like my grandfather. In fact I may end up looking the same when I'm older too. Talk about a cruel reminder, everytime I see a $20 I'm reminded of what I have NOT become. heheh.

I thought, well, this is very odd depicting a German child doing this.

Speaking as one of partially German decent, having lived there for some time as well, and having many German-decent friends and acquaintances, I think that Churchill was correct when he said:

The Hun--he's always either at your feet or at your throat.

The Germans will probably be the last people on earth to truly beat their swords into plowshares.  They appear peaceful now, of course.  But they are also well aware that they have taken over Europe as the major of the major members of the EU.  As long as that standing is not threatened, there will be no problems.  But there is a spirit within them  that won't stand to be second best.

The New Guy wrote:

France has also taken over Europe in the past.

So has Italy.

Really, we're forgetting about Poland.

True, but neither the Italians or the Poles really have it in them for major domination.

The French, British, and Germans do go for major domination and all have agendas that they want to push on the world (in contrast, the Poles have sausage and the Italians have pizza to push on the world).

The French, however, are too disorganized compared to the British and the Germans.

The British are too susceptible to liberal democratic thinking, so their domination only ever goes "so far".

The Germans, on the other hand, are ideological, organized, and quite willing to follow a militaristic leader to their deaths and the deaths of their children for "the cause".  Plus the fact that they own a huge property, lots of Europe's resources, much of her monetary wealth, much of her heavy industry, much of her intellect...

...and they are damn hard workers to top it all off.

And even in North America, if you hang with enough German immigrants and/or their children (as I do) you will hear echos of "the South will rise again", except insert "Fatherland" for "South" and you get the drift.

Like I said, as long as they are running the roost over there, things will be quiet.  But just start to try to pull out the carpet from under them, and there will be trouble again.

Historically the "BIG" countries will go in cycles, but they will always return again and again.

The historic league of the BIG (you may add to this list if you wish):

USA
Britian
France
Germany
Russia
China
Japan

Right now the USA has cycled to the top.  The others will certainly take their turns in the batting order again...some of them in our lifetimes, I am sure.

And of the lot, the Germans are the most to be feared as they are bound to be the most coldly calculating, ruthless, and persistant.

Last edited by Hank Rearden (2005-03-04 11:21 am)