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This has nothing to do with Internet Explorer.  This is WINDOWS Explorer. You know, Microsoft's version of the Finder.  Obviously, Microsoft thinks it's own applications, operating within it's own environment, subject you to being vulnerable.  I wasn't even connected to the "Net".  I was on a LAN (the Airport) browsing files on my Mac so I could show my wife how she didn't need to burn a CD just to transfer files back and forth.  I can connect to the network, but the moment I try and access ANY other system on the LAN, Windows Explorer shuts down with the aforementioned message box (unless I shut off DEP, which is way more than someone, especially my wife,  should have to remember to do everytime the network is accessed).

BTW, this doesn't happen accessing other Windows networks.  Just wonderful.  So much for the Trustworthy Computing initiative.

This is the NX (No Execute) bit. It's new, only on A64 and the very latest Intel stuff, and there may be a bug or three. Some older app somewhere may be triggering a buffer overflow, or perhaps a bit of malware somewhere is trying to write to the NX region.

If you upgraded to 10.3.8 or whatever and some unpatched issue caused misbehavior, would you go ballistic over that? There'll always be trouble to shoot with new tech.

sparkn wrote:

  She got a new job that requires her to have a PC....

I am an exec, and just took a new director postion in the Houston area (in healthcare).  The organization is a strick PC shop.  I told them I would not work for them and use a PC.  They eventually came around after I explained how OS X integrates with Active Directory,etc.  We finally came to a compromise, but they were floored that I would turn the job down for a computer. 

You better believe it.  I cannot stand Windows. 

My experience with it?  MCSE, MCSD, all the fixins.  I will never go back.  OS X for me. 


Just thought I would share.

BBq_Woa! wrote:

I'm a self-righteous child..

Fixed that for ya. 
Nobody "wins"--its Windows, after all.  Don't "help" if you're going to (ignorantly) gloat over it.  Remember, SP2 already has its own share of bugs which haven't been fixed yet.  It seems that every time MS rolls out a new update/patch/fix, a whole new batch of issues present themselves.  So instead of giving yourself bragging rights by recommending the already recommended (albeit flawed as it is), try contributing something that hasn't already been contributed if you think it'll help.

"I win" is not the attitude we're aiming for in the MAF.  We're a community, not a competition.

pillguy:

I'm not an exec.  Just an ordinary, struggling, lower middle class debt flooded victim of downsizing dealing with the bliss of ignorance and fear of the unkown.

macfiend wrote:

i dont see how some curse windows so bad

I find Windows machines much harder to troubleshoot when things do go bad. That is where my love for the Mac takes over. Booting to a CD in Windows for me has always been a crule joke. "Please insert your Recovery Disk now." Hahaha! Like I have one and even if I did I doubt it would be upto date. Then your stuck going about it the long way via the command lines/DOS.

This just happened to me last week. I was using tweakguide's XPSP2 guide to help optimize XP and turn off all the unused or unneeded services and what not. Things went well or so I thought until after the reboot. Upon restart I got a disk error "couldn't find bootable disk. The disk has been set up incorrectly and Windows can't find the OS" or something along those lines. I was like "Crist, this is a brand new install and now I just hosed it! WTF!"

Rebooted  and tried safe mode, Last Known....blah, blah, blah. Still no luck. Restarted again with the XP CD. Using the recovery console turned on all the services I turned off. Nada. Another and another and another restart with the XP CD trying various things. Gave up for that day, it was 2AM by then. On the next day I started at it again. Finally found the problem. The boot.ini file was hosed. I guess when I changed the default 30 secs to 10 secs that save messed it up.

It wouldn't have been so bad if XP loaded faster off CD, but no. Rereading your system config, installing the drivers. Hit F6 if you need to install additional drivers (I do w/SATA Raid). Hit F2 if you want the Recovery Console...blah, blah, blah. Hey Microsoft F this!

Wanna see your beloved Adobe apps go south with a simple mouse drag. Move'em some where else on the drive. Go ahead give your registry a heartattack. These are the things that make me scream at my Windows boxes.

It has McAffe Enterprise Edition.  It doesn't have Norton anything on it, but the link didn't apply anyway.  It happened again today when I did my taxes online.  It seems Adobe Reader is now a disliked application for DEP.  I got real scared that I was going to lose everything because I was at the print a copy of your return stage and hadn't saved it yet.  I found I can ignore the close window and go about my business until I was ready to have Explorer shut down.  It won't restart Explorer until the window is closed.  This time I submitted a report to Microsoft.  I'm sure they know everything about me now considering the info took 10 minutes to upload to them.  I'm not worried, though.  My system's are all 100% legit.

I've been learning some more about DEP and I'm going to try a few things.  One thing is going through HPs update site and making sure all my drivers are up to date.  I also want to install some kind of spyware/malware detector/preventer so I can feel better about any DEP exclusions.  And, finally, I'll relax in front of my Mac and vegetate in these forums.  It's a shame I can't trust that laptop right now.  I really do like it outside of this problem (and Windows assinine implemetation of permissions... but that's another story altogether).

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Rebooted  and tried safe mode, Last Known....blah, blah, blah. Still no luck. Restarted again with the XP CD. Using the recovery console turned on all the services I turned off. Nada. Another and another and another restart with the XP CD trying various things. Gave up for that day, it was 2AM by then. On the next day I started at it again. Finally found the problem. The boot.ini file was hosed. I guess when I changed the default 30 secs to 10 secs that save messed it up.

It wouldn't have been so bad if XP loaded faster off CD, but no. Rereading your system config, installing the drivers. Hit F6 if you need to install additional drivers (I do w/SATA Raid). Hit F2 if you want the Recovery Console...blah, blah, blah. Hey Microsoft F this!

"It doesn't work any more. In newer Windows versions the NTFS file system is used, which offers numerous security features and other advantages. This file structure, which can limit access to certain users, also has a journaling function to restore data and supports encryption and compression without additional software. However, it also has a huge disadvantage: access from other systems, if at all, is only possible with special tools. In addition, access is mostly read-only. While that is enough to rescue data, changes to files such as BOOT.INI are not possible.

All of this means that in order to fix problems on newer systems, you need a few extra tricks up your sleeve. Let's take a look at some of them and how they can be employed."

http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20050112/index.html

I have a Linux-based 'boot any PC' CD I got at the COD show a year ago. It seems to work well, tho I've not had time to experiment much with it.