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#1 2005-03-10 10:31 am
Large format digital presses?
I've got an 11 x 25.5 that I need to get printed but only need 100 or so for the digital run. Conventional presses are gonna rape me on pricing but I haven't worked with digital presses that can do larger than 12 x 18. Anyone know of any larger digital press owners that I could try to work with?
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#2 2005-03-10 1:37 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
To my knowledge the largest current digital press is the Xerox iGen3 @ a max sheet of 14x20.5 . We have one here where I work. I don't know of anything bigger that's out yet.
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#3 2005-03-10 3:52 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
A Gerber will print 11.5" wide by whatever. Usually you'll find those in sign shops or people who serve the sign industry. They are pretty common.
Our shop prints 3M Scotchprint up to 52" wide but only at 400 dpi. We have a light weight paper that we can print on, but mostly we print on vinyl.
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#4 2005-03-10 10:02 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
We have an Inca Eagle press that prints up to a 5' x 8' sheet, and up to 1.5" thick.
Our HP5000 prints 60" wide, and our Epson 9600 prints 44" wide.
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#5 2005-03-10 10:19 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
You should check with your local sign shops...They will probably have a large format printer that can printed huge images at a cost effective price...
For additional printer information check out:
www.rolanddga.com - they make printers
www.nbm.com - there are a few magazines on this website that are about the large format print industry.
Good Luck....
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#6 2005-03-10 10:23 pm
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I hate to sound like a salesman, but you need to put a price on "need".
My quick cipherin' here without my paper price books puts this job at around $800 Canadian, assuming single sided print with no finishing, on commodity gloss book. The going rate here in Calgary for plotter output is about $10.00 per square foot, for a total of $2000.00. I have a feeling that plotter output prices vary at least as much as offset print prices from region to region.
As far as digital presses, do a search for KBA Karat - this is a 4 colour digital press in 20 x 29 size. The last time I saw an install list, there were only about 3 or 4 in North America, but that was before the last Drupa.
Don't count on digital being cheaper just because it is digital. Printers charge as MUCH as the market will bear, not as LITTLE as they can afford. Pricing will depend more on market area than on the printing process your printer uses.
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#7 2005-03-11 12:25 am
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Re: Large format digital presses?
Some of the first gen Indigos printed on larger sheet sizes right? Maybe you can find a local guy that has one. If not, I think there's at least one shop in the greater Balt/DC area running one. Lemme know & I'll try to get a contact.
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#8 2005-03-11 5:16 am
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Gip, try asking some of the printshops around your area (I don't know where in Denver you are) if they af large format digital proofers. As more printers are moving to direct to plate, the proofing has gone to digital proofing as well. I use an Epson 9000, several other shops here use Epsons as well there are a couple using HPs.
The thing to remember is most will charge by the square foot, around $12-15 per square foot. As Color Geek said, you should put a price on need. Getting a regular press run might yeil better results for about the sam e cost.
Good luck.
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#9 2005-03-11 7:52 am
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You need to be aware of the use of your product too. Depending on what you need these for an inkjet as many here suggested may work. However it may end up costing just as much as that's not a very efficient way to produce 100 of anything. I use an Epson 9600, 10,000 and a DisplayMakerXII as well as a Roland Soljet. Different purposes for every one.
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#10 2005-03-11 9:03 pm
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Check for indoor outdoor use as well. That can effect the cost (if that is part of the job).
The printers we have at work really only print up to about 150 dpi. Nothing you notice unless up close but still holds up well for sinage.
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#11 2005-03-12 1:25 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
I wish I had read this topic earlier. Like several others in this thread, I used to run a digital print shop with a large format inkjet printer, which we'd use to produce a job like you mentioned at the top of this thread.
If I were to quote your job, I'd take into consideration the quantity, so the $10 -$12 / sq. ft. price would be eliminated right there. We'dve probably priced it around $6 - $8, depending on how soon you needed it, what stock, etc. Also, the more you could do to set it up would be helpful: for instance, if I needed it 6-across to maximize the use of my printer (and reduce waste), then I'd ask if you'd mind doing that for me to save on time. (Yes, I realize most RIPs do this automatically, but I found in my workflow that it was often more efficient and accurate to do so manually). So, if you had provided me a X-across TIFF at 200 - 250dpi, I would also take that into consideration when pricing (in your favor).
If you have a Ridgways, a Kinko's, an AlphaGraphics, an IKON Document Services, or any other A&E (architectural & engineering)-type graphics shops in your area, check with them. There are even some places on the web that you can upload your file and they'll quote you a price, and ship you the product in a quick turnaround...those places are usually pretty cheap (price-wise...I dunno about quality).
Big Picture may be a good resource for you: that's one of the large-format print industry's leading publications, so I imagine their web site might have some good leads.
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#12 2005-03-13 4:29 pm
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I work for a shop that does exactly what you need - And at a fraction of the $$$ some of the other posts inferred; it would be well below $1000 usd. There are a number of options they can do for you, to fit any budget/quality need. And they are a true-blue Mac house
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#14 2005-03-13 11:44 pm
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Hm, I should have been a little more specific - the file would need to be 2 sided and tri fold. Looking for 100# gloss cover and a standard 4 color line screen. I don't want inkjet at all, nope, sorry, just don't like it, even for short run.
I'll check into finding some of the larger format indigo's here locally. I know one place that has an indigo at 20" but they might know of one bigger.
Oh, zalgren, I work near Centennial Airport in Inverness but live downtown...
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#15 2005-03-14 5:30 am
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With specs like that you robably will have to go to press. Having said that some one will probably come alog and prove me wrong. I just can't help thinging that to get that nice high linescreen combined with reg two sides a large format printer wont do both.
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#16 2005-03-14 8:14 am
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I'd have to agree - don't want digital , but don't want to pay for press? For digital, there is a big difference if you go use Kinkos, or some little sign shop, vs. a professional production house with the latest equipment.
My guess is, you've never seen pro quality digital.
Indigo? Or look for a DocuColor 70 in your area.
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#17 2005-03-14 8:17 am
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oh, and two-sided digital isn't much of a problem any more.
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#18 2005-03-14 1:07 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
For some jobs, inkjet just doesn't cut it. It's not a slam on the technology or the capabilities of the printer. It's just, well, offset is offset and nothing comes close to some people.
And if the client is willing to pay for it, why not get the best quality possible?
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#19 2005-03-14 3:20 pm
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Yours is a common misconseption that really isn't true anymore; you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between quality digital and litho any more.
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#20 2005-03-14 11:00 pm
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Re: Large format digital presses?
Well, since I work with both every single day, I don't think I'd be that hard pressed to notice any difference. 
Like I said, the technology does some amazing things and I know what large format is capable of producing. All I'm saying is, it's not the answer for every job.
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