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#26 2005-03-29 7:53 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Could they make the UI more clunky?
And the fact that they don't have a real name for it sucks. Longhorn is the smurffiest name I've ever heard. I wonder who came up with that one: "Apple's naming theirs after big cats... maybe we can name ours after steer?"
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#27 2005-03-29 8:11 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Scott wrote:
I think those are old images of longhorn. That article is from 2003.
The newer ones are here: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/lo … w_2005.asp
There are some more out there as well. I just saw some this morning. They look better than the 2003 ones, but the GUI is still all over the place. In fact one looked very much like OSX. Dropshadows, translucent bits, but crappy buttons.
I thought those were photoshopped.
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#28 2005-03-29 8:19 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
sosumi wrote:
Of course, Longhorn is not nearly as far along as Tiger so it's not technically fair to compare something that's 1.5 years+ from release to something coming out in less than a month.
Ya, but to be fair, OS X and Rhapsody did not look like crazy cluttered messes during their developer preview releases.
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#30 2005-03-29 9:17 pm
Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Apelock wrote:
NAG wrote:
I think this shot explains exactly how microsoft doesn't understand UI design.
Exactly, I get hung up, lose my menu and have to start over, etc. a lot when I use theis "feature."
You don't like it when a menu takes up a full 1/3 of the screen?
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#31 2005-03-29 9:26 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
smeghead wrote:
Could they make the UI more clunky?
And the fact that they don't have a real name for it sucks. Longhorn is the smurffiest name I've ever heard. I wonder who came up with that one: "Apple's naming theirs after big cats... maybe we can name ours after steer?"
Actually its named after a bar at the bottom of Whistler mountain.
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#32 2005-03-29 9:27 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Apelock wrote:
NAG wrote:
I think this shot explains exactly how microsoft doesn't understand UI design.
Exactly, I get hung up, lose my menu and have to start over, etc. a lot when I use theis "feature."
People actually use the start menu to navigate to programs these days ? wow. I dumped that for the quick launch bar back in the NT4 / IE4 days. *shrugs*
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#33 2005-03-29 10:45 pm
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Like Explorer isn't a mess? Someone needs to completely scrap their UI and start over because it makes no sense what so ever from an intuitive stand point.
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#34 2005-03-30 12:04 am
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Like Explorer isn't a mess? Someone needs to completely scrap their UI and start over because it makes no sense what so ever from an intuitive stand point.
Damn straight.
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#35 2005-03-30 12:14 am
Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
no kidding.
If I tell someone on a mac to click in the Finder, they know what i'm talking about.
if I say to a PC dude click in the explorer, after 10 seconds of thinking they'll open "The Internet" (aka Internet Explorer)
As ridiculous as it is, I think I might switch to Windows, because I spend too much time on my Mac, and maybe being computer illiterate will help my social life.
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#36 2005-03-30 12:38 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Windows: An attempt at a GUI by engineers trying to second guess what the public wants.
Mac OS X: A more humane approach to GUI design by people designing for people who want to do cool things with their computers.
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#37 2005-03-30 2:13 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Aurik wrote:
and yes GUI is just a nightmare to look at
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#38 2005-03-30 6:40 am
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NAG wrote:
Like Explorer isn't a mess? Someone needs to completely scrap their UI and start over because it makes no sense what so ever from an intuitive stand point.
The start menu is a total nightmare imho.
Explorer itself as a file manager (i.e: the explorer you get when you click 'my computer') I find it to be pretty good. In fact I like it better than the finder in OS X.
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#39 2005-03-30 6:54 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Yes, I don't mind explorer. I haven't played with it in its latest incarnations though.
Thinks like explorer are just attempts to address shortcomings in native file browsing and manipulation, though. That applies to OS X too.
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#40 2005-03-30 10:16 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
HackerJax wrote:
NAG wrote:
Like Explorer isn't a mess? Someone needs to completely scrap their UI and start over because it makes no sense what so ever from an intuitive stand point.
The start menu is a total nightmare imho.
Explorer itself as a file manager (i.e: the explorer you get when you click 'my computer') I find it to be pretty good. In fact I like it better than the finder in OS X.
You know, you saying that even though it was fairly obvious that was what I was talking about only supports my position that Microsoft doesn't know how to design a gui.
I also think Explorer is a very apt term for their file management system. You don't find anything without exploring for it.
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#41 2005-03-30 10:44 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
HackerJax wrote:
Apelock wrote:
NAG wrote:
I think this shot explains exactly how microsoft doesn't understand UI design.
Exactly, I get hung up, lose my menu and have to start over, etc. a lot when I use theis "feature."
People actually use the start menu to navigate to programs these days ? wow. I dumped that for the quick launch bar back in the NT4 / IE4 days. *shrugs*
Most of my interactions with Windows are on locked down public access boxes where I have no control over which apps are in the quick launch bar; if I want to use Firefox, or Photoshop, I HAVE to use the start menus to get to it.
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#42 2005-03-31 12:01 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
HackerJax wrote:
smeghead wrote:
Could they make the UI more clunky?
And the fact that they don't have a real name for it sucks. Longhorn is the smurffiest name I've ever heard. I wonder who came up with that one: "Apple's naming theirs after big cats... maybe we can name ours after steer?"Actually its named after a bar at the bottom of Whistler mountain.
Even better! "Hmm, let's name it after a bar!" Maybe that's why all their manpower and resources can't make the end-all-be-all of OSes-- they're drunk all the time.
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#43 2005-03-31 12:23 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
NAG wrote:
You know, you saying that even though it was fairly obvious that was what I was talking about only supports my position that Microsoft doesn't know how to design a gui.
Forgive me for not assuming that you were talking about the file management interface to the explorer shell.
Its a mess ? Because a guy like you can't navigate it ? lol. I'm not so sure I'm going to chaulk that one up to bad interface design.
I also think Explorer is a very apt term for their file management system. You don't find anything without exploring for it.
No worse than the finder in my experiences.
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#44 2005-03-31 12:34 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
smeghead wrote:
HackerJax wrote:
smeghead wrote:
Could they make the UI more clunky?
And the fact that they don't have a real name for it sucks. Longhorn is the smurffiest name I've ever heard. I wonder who came up with that one: "Apple's naming theirs after big cats... maybe we can name ours after steer?"Actually its named after a bar at the bottom of Whistler mountain.
Even better! "Hmm, let's name it after a bar!" Maybe that's why all their manpower and resources can't make the end-all-be-all of OSes-- they're drunk all the time.
The XP beta was called Whistler and the OS coming after longhorn is Blackcomb. Mountains where MS people ski or other places associated with those mountains have kinda become a theme for MS code names.
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#45 2005-03-31 1:33 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
Still a rather silly naming theme...
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#46 2005-03-31 8:40 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
smeghead wrote:
Still a rather silly naming theme...
A naming theme based on cats is not as silly ?
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#47 2005-03-31 9:29 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
HackerJax wrote:
smeghead wrote:
Still a rather silly naming theme...
A naming theme based on cats is not as silly ?
yeah but they are big cats so it is OK
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#48 2005-03-31 9:53 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
I don't think anything could be worse than "Bride of Buster"-- Mac OS 8.1.
Great little OS, though. One of Apple's best.
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#49 2005-03-31 10:00 am
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Re: Longhorn v. Tiger
treehouse wrote:
Kurto2021 wrote:
Longhorn = Jan
Tiger = MarshaGive me a break.
OS 10.1 = MaryAnn
OS 10.2 = Ginger
OS 10.3 = Holly Hunter
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dude, you're old.
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#50 2005-03-31 10:02 am
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All I know is that Google Labs didn't make a copy of the Start menu.
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