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#1 2005-04-21 12:20 pm

NokX
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Monitoring Sex Offenders

florida is looking into equipping every sex offender with a GPS tracking device.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7578162/

Florida lawmakers are poised to approve a bill requiring convicted sexual predators to be imprisoned or tracked by satellite for the rest of their lives.

and how will this stop them from touching another child?  now they'll just know where he's at after he's dumping the body.  i think they need to castrate, or kill, the pervert so they're sure no more children and families will have to suffer through the pain it causes.


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#2 2005-04-21 12:25 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

NokX wrote:

now they'll just know where he's at after he's dumping the body.....

Or when he or she is in violation of his or her parole or terms of release by being in a "hot zone" such as a school, bar, liquor store, or anywhere else deemed off-limits.

roll

Loved the knee jerk reaction, though.


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#3 2005-04-21 12:28 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

Despite recent events in Florida, I think the current handling of sex offenders goes far enough.  Everywhere that I have lived (not sure if it's everywhere in the U.S.) I can search my local area and find sex offenders and descriptions of what they have been convicted of. 
If I had a child, you can be certain I would pay much closer attention to such information than I do now.  Currently, I only search about once a year or so, just out of curiousity--to see if anyone I know comes up.

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#4 2005-04-21 12:28 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

iBubba wrote:

NokX wrote:

now they'll just know where he's at after he's dumping the body.....

Or when he or she is in violation of his or her parole or terms of release by being in a "hot zone" such as a school, bar, liquor store, or anywhere else deemed off-limits.

roll

Loved the knee jerk reaction, though.

...and so that will eliminate the chance of that person molesting another child? -- because we all know kids hang out in bars and liquor stores.


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#5 2005-04-21 12:32 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

NokX wrote:

iBubba wrote:

NokX wrote:

now they'll just know where he's at after he's dumping the body.....

Or when he or she is in violation of his or her parole or terms of release by being in a "hot zone" such as a school, bar, liquor store, or anywhere else deemed off-limits.

roll

Loved the knee jerk reaction, though.

...and so that will eliminate the chance of that person molesting another child? -- because we all know kids hang out in bars and liquor stores.

Get some familiarity with the subject matter, Quickdraw McNokX. If a person is on parole, they are often prohibited from consuming alcohol or drugs. It's not a long shot to put similar limitations from "rehabilitated" individuals.

I noticed you didn't have a smarmy retaliation for my reference to "hot zones."


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#6 2005-04-21 12:33 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

Sorry, too lazy to read the article completely. Are these offenders going to be constantly monitored? I.e. if they *are* in an area deemed off-limits, are police going to be dispatched immeediately to remove him/her? Unfortunately, the police and parole officers often don't have the resources to be pro-active.

I might have to agree with NokX. I don't see how this will prevent someone from re-offending. It may be more useful as an investigative tool after-the-fact. I.e. child was assaulted in washroom at x-location, offender-x happened to be in that area at the same time.

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#7 2005-04-21 12:37 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

NokX wrote:

florida is looking into equipping every sex offender with a GPS tracking device..

Who would monitor their locations?

NokX wrote:

how will this stop them from touching another child?..

It won't! This GPS stuff is called "feel good" legislation...it does nothing to affect the problem but it makes legislators feel good!

NokX wrote:

i think they need to castrate, or kill, the pervert..

For starters... this is just the introductory punishment; for the main course put them in the general population at a Supermax lockup!

NokX wrote:

i no more children and families will have to suffer through the pain it causes.

We pray for a rapid solution to this problem... it would help if judges that let out  convicted sexual predators that commit other sex crimes are themselves sentenced. Judges are indeed part of the problem.


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#8 2005-04-21 12:41 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

Camp David wrote:

NokX wrote:

how will this stop them from touching another child?..

It won't! This GPS stuff is called "feel good" legislation...it does nothing to affect the problem but it makes legislators feel good!

A lot like capital punishment then? It isn't a deterrent, just like castration wouldn't be.

I'm more interested in stopping first offenses than worrying about re-offending to be honest.


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#9 2005-04-21 12:42 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

How many children have to die before we get serious about child predators?

Nevermind, I'm asking a group who consider children a usless parasite collection of cells until they are old enough to vote democrat.

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#10 2005-04-21 12:46 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Nevermind, I'm asking a group who consider children a usless parasite collection of cells until they are old enough to vote democrat.

Funny, that's exactly what my bumper sticker says about children!


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#11 2005-04-21 12:46 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

What about in some regions where an 18 yearold has sex with his GF and is then considered a sex offender?

I have no wish to deffend sex offenders, but if their time has been completed, the punishment is over. Or else like mentioned, castrate the repeats.


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#12 2005-04-21 12:47 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

How many children have been killed by re-offenders, as a percentage? That number would have to be exorbitantly high before this legislation (or any other punitive measures) would do anything to help the situation.


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#13 2005-04-21 12:47 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

iBubba wrote:

NokX wrote:

iBubba wrote:


Or when he or she is in violation of his or her parole or terms of release by being in a "hot zone" such as a school, bar, liquor store, or anywhere else deemed off-limits.

roll

Loved the knee jerk reaction, though.

...and so that will eliminate the chance of that person molesting another child? -- because we all know kids hang out in bars and liquor stores.

Get some familiarity with the subject matter, Quickdraw McNokX. If a person is on parole, they are often prohibited from consuming alcohol or drugs. It's not a long shot to put similar limitations from "rehabilitated" individuals.

I noticed you didn't have a smarmy retaliation for my reference to "hot zones."

i didn't retaliate to your reference on "hot zones" because, again - how will this stop them from molesting a child?

and a person on parole might be in trouble for stealing a pack of cigarettes from the store.  not such a big deal if they're a repeat offender at cigarette-pack-taking - but a repeat offender at child molesting?  you're talking about an event that someone carries for the rest of their lives and can ruin families.


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#14 2005-04-21 12:48 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

JakeTheTall wrote:

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Nevermind, I'm asking a group who consider children a usless parasite collection of cells until they are old enough to vote democrat.

Funny, that's exactly what my bumper sticker says about children!

lol


*Fallacy at its zenith kids.* "Who is this "we" you keep talking about? What price have "you" paid for this war? Blah, Blah. Its hardly a "we" proposition."

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#15 2005-04-21 12:55 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

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#16 2005-04-21 12:56 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

this thread sparked my interest so i decided to check out my local sex offenders. WOW i have 87 current offenders living within 5 miles of me, and in my whole county there are hundreds.

i thought these public sex offender lists would show faces of the abusers.... but it just has their name, address, work location, crime, and age of the victim.

there is some sick smurf in there... like i wonder how this guy who raped a 4 year old girl can be free (well, as free as you can be while on the sex offender's list) AND he has a job. i have friends with college degrees and no rape convictions that can't find jobs! damn.


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#17 2005-04-21 12:58 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

NokX wrote:

iBubba wrote:

NokX wrote:


...and so that will eliminate the chance of that person molesting another child? -- because we all know kids hang out in bars and liquor stores.

Get some familiarity with the subject matter, Quickdraw McNokX. If a person is on parole, they are often prohibited from consuming alcohol or drugs. It's not a long shot to put similar limitations from "rehabilitated" individuals.

I noticed you didn't have a smarmy retaliation for my reference to "hot zones."

i didn't retaliate to your reference on "hot zones" because, again - how will this stop them from molesting a child?

and a person on parole might be in trouble for stealing a pack of cigarettes from the store.  not such a big deal if they're a repeat offender at cigarette-pack-taking - but a repeat offender at child molesting?  you're talking about an event that someone carries for the rest of their lives and can ruin families.

I am not going to hold your hand through this. If you're going to purposely be obtuse (no offense to the one behind the name) that's fine, but I'm not going to spoon feed what should be self-evident to you.

shrug


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#18 2005-04-21 1:00 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

stoned wrote:

like i wonder how this guy who raped a 4 year old girl can be free (well, as free as you can be while on the sex offender's list) AND he has a job. i have friends with college degrees and no rape convictions that can't find jobs! damn.

You "smoke, " right? You tell me why these predators get cut loose on society...


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#19 2005-04-21 1:02 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

If you go out to a club and meet someone who's really young but says she's 19 and even has ID that says so, but she's really 15 and you take her home and have sex with her, you are now classified as a sex offender*.

Congratulations.

The real problem isn't that these people exist or that parents don't know about them. It's that they're not being treated for their behavior because people don't want to pay tax dollars to treat them. No, we want to pay no taxes except the $1 it costs to put a bullet in their heads, because they're a threat to society and not a human being.

*This did not happen to me.


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#20 2005-04-21 1:03 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

stoned wrote:

this thread sparked my interest so i decided to check out my local sex offenders. WOW i have 87 current offenders living within 5 miles of me, and in my whole county there are hundreds.

i thought these public sex offender lists would show faces of the abusers.... but it just has their name, address, work location, crime, and age of the victim.

there is some sick smurf in there... like i wonder how this guy who raped a 4 year old girl can be free (well, as free as you can be while on the sex offender's list) AND he has a job. i have friends with college degrees and no rape convictions that can't find jobs! damn.

tennessee's supports photos: http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/SEX_ofndr/search_short.asp

it's snoop dogg when he turns 60: http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/SEX_ofndr/ … 1=00348118


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#21 2005-04-21 1:06 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

iBubba wrote:

I am not going to hold your hand through this. If you're going to purposely be obtuse (no offense to the one behind the name) that's fine, but I'm not going to spoon feed what should be self-evident to you.

shrug

*sigh*

it seems like you're the only one who thinks a GPS device prevents them from molesting.  keep preaching on about your hot spots and nightclubs, then.

The New Guy wrote:

If you go out to a club and meet someone who's really young but says she's 19 and even has ID that says so, but she's really 15 and you take her home and have sex with her, you are now classified as a sex offender*.

Congratulations.

The real problem isn't that these people exist or that parents don't know about them. It's that they're not being treated for their behavior because people don't want to pay tax dollars to treat them. No, we want to pay no taxes except the $1 it costs to put a bullet in their heads, because they're a threat to society and not a human being.

*This did not happen to me.

and there's a huge difference between being lied to by a teenager and raping and killing an 8 year old.


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#22 2005-04-21 1:09 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

stoned wrote:

there is some sick smurf in there... like i wonder how this guy who raped a 4 year old girl can be free...

Bad judges stoned... that's one of the reasons. Remember the early 1990s "feel good" criminal legislation that put in place progressive laws freeing these sickos? That's another.


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#23 2005-04-21 1:16 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

NokX wrote:

and there's a huge difference between being lied to by a teenager and raping and killing an 8 year old.

Yeah, but you're still on the sex offenders list (depending on age of consent in your state). And when you're on that list, that's all most people know about.


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#24 2005-04-21 2:02 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

It's pretty much impossible to stop all people from committing any crime, unless you lock all people up indefinitely.

Without just locking up all prisoners with a life sentence, there's no 100% sure way to guarantee no repeat offenders. Doing this though would be a huge human rights violation, esp. when i don't think most released sex offenders re-offend (although I might be wrong).

I would not support tracking them with GPS, but I would support a better registration system for them (the one in the recent murder was able to move without registering his new address).


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#25 2005-04-21 2:48 pm

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Re: Monitoring Sex Offenders

If there was a way to guarantee a sex offender won't reoffend, I'd support it. I don't think there is any such guarantee, though.

I don't know about the US, but here in Canada they can keep sex offenders in the clink if they think they're still a threat.

By the way, there are female sex offenders, notably Karla Homolka:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/03/24/n032478A.jpg

She's getting out soon, the crown (district) attorney having made the most abysmally retarded plea deal with her. They portrayed her as a poor helpless victim of her rapist serial killer husband, but it's now very clear that she's as guilty has he is -- she having sexually abused the girls they abducted; and while she didn't actually kill them, she might have freed them at any time but didn't.

Shrinks say she's still a threat, but because of the plea deal she'll be free and clear.


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