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#1 2005-04-24 10:37 pm

Podesta
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Your iPod or your life?

From the New York Post:

An iPod thief was nabbed shortly after he and a gang of young thugs pounced on a man jogging in Central Park and stole his popular music-playing device, police said.

. . .The trendy music players, which can cost several hundred dollars, have become a favorite target of muggers, particularly teenage thieves.

IPod thefts have skyrocketed in recent months and are believed to be a large reason behind a recent surge in subway crime - underground thefts were up nearly 20% through mid-March, according to police statistics.

IPodders also have been targeted above ground, typically at bus stops, police sources said.

"IPods are an easy target, whether you're on the train or, in this case, jogging through the park," said a police source.

"People should always be aware, but especially when they've got white headphones dangling from their ears."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ … 9134c.html

I consider myself relatively street smart, having lived in four cities, including a tough town, Philly.   But, I have stopped walking in the 'drugs and crime' blocks of Portland after dark, if I am alone.  I usually have my iPod with me while strolling or taking public transit, and that probably is a factor in the decision.   I upgraded to a 60 GB iPod Photo last Wednesday, so I would be even more chagrined than before if it was stolen.   Of course there are some interesting philosophical issues lurking in such a decision.  How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

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#2 2005-04-24 10:40 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

If you are walking around in a high crime area its probably not the best of ideas to be beboping around totally oblivious to your surroundings listening to an ipod.


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#3 2005-04-24 10:41 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I thought conspicuous consumption only applied if that was your intent.


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So why don't we both either stand up and fight
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#4 2005-04-25 1:25 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Or ditch the headphones... oh wait, then how would everybody know you are hip and trendy?!?!


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#5 2005-04-25 2:13 am

Warin
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Re: Your iPod or your life?

heh. the first thing I will do when I get another iPod is to ditch the 'phones.

Not because I am worried about getting mugged, but because I have problems wearing ear buds.  they start to hurt after 2-3 songs!

I can see muggers targeting those wearing the distinctive iPod style white buds.  Sort of sucks though!  I'd hate to have to ditch the phones if I liked them in order to feel a little safer.


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#6 2005-04-25 2:19 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I am wondering if I would have an iPod thief prosecuted or not.  I don't like the idea of being the person who initiates a kid's criminal record.  I think the decision would turn on whether there was violence involved.  If the situation was  like the one described in the article, I would support prosecution.

The 14-year-old attacker was part of a gang of six to 10 young men who attacked Benjamin Kim as he listened to his iPod while jogging Thursday night in the northern section of the park, cops said.

Kim, 25, told investigators he had been running along the park's East Drive about 8:15 p.m. when he was approached by the group of teenagers near E. 108th St.

The teens stopped him in his tracks and began to taunt him, he said.

The harassment then turned violent as several members of the gang jumped him and started punching him in the face and chest, he told police.

One of the teens ripped the iPod's telltale white earphones from Kim's head and then the group fled, running through the park's heavily wooded northern edge to escape.

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#7 2005-04-25 2:29 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Though crime in the town I live in is virtually non-existent, I'd like to find an alternative to the ear buds.  They annoy me.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#8 2005-04-25 2:43 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

bratboy wrote:

Though crime in the town I live in is virtually non-existent, I'd like to find an alternative to the ear buds.  They annoy me.

For me they flat out hurt.


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#9 2005-04-25 3:35 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Podesta wrote:

I am wondering if I would have an iPod thief prosecuted or not.  I don't like the idea of being the person who initiates a kid's criminal record.

If a kid steals an iPod - it's the kid who initiated his criminal record, not the victim.


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Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.

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#10 2005-04-25 7:30 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I also would prosecute. Hopefully it will be a wake up call to the responsible parties. If not, (sadly this is most likely to be what happens), it will be on record that this isn't a sweet innocent person.


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#11 2005-04-25 7:46 am

midgetcop
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Re: Your iPod or your life?

The iPod earbuds really bite anyway. I use my Sony sport heaedphones.


“When life demands more of people than they demand of life - as is ordinarily the case - what results is a resentment of life almost as deep-seated as the fear of death”
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#12 2005-04-25 7:49 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Podesta wrote:

From the New York Post:

An iPod thief was nabbed shortly after he and a gang of young thugs pounced on a man jogging in Central Park and stole his popular music-playing device, police said.

. . .The trendy music players, which can cost several hundred dollars, have become a favorite target of muggers, particularly teenage thieves.

IPod thefts have skyrocketed in recent months and are believed to be a large reason behind a recent surge in subway crime - underground thefts were up nearly 20% through mid-March, according to police statistics.

IPodders also have been targeted above ground, typically at bus stops, police sources said.

"IPods are an easy target, whether you're on the train or, in this case, jogging through the park," said a police source.

"People should always be aware, but especially when they've got white headphones dangling from their ears."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ … 9134c.html

I consider myself relatively street smart, having lived in four cities, including a tough town, Philly.   But, I have stopped walking in the 'drugs and crime' blocks of Portland after dark, if I am alone.  I usually have my iPod with me while strolling or taking public transit, and that probably is a factor in the decision.   I upgraded to a 60 GB iPod Photo last Wednesday, so I would be even more chagrined than before if it was stolen.   Of course there are some interesting philosophical issues lurking in such a decision.  How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

get yourself a concealed handgun license - your ipod might not look so appealing to them then


"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln

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#13 2005-04-25 8:01 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I can see it now; Steve Jobs holding an iPod over his head and saying;
"From My Cold Dead Hands" in his best imitation of Charleton Heston!


Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger/Benedict XVI: "a simple, humble worker in God's vineyard." Habemus Papem!

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#14 2005-04-25 8:07 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Here's an even better idea: keep an iPod shuffle in your pocket to hand over to the mugger.


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#15 2005-04-25 8:09 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

cuase a glock 17 fits oh so well in my tiny ass running shorts.

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#16 2005-04-25 8:41 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Gr@sshopper wrote:

cuase a glock 17 fits oh so well in my tiny ass running shorts.

Oh my! Tiny ass running shorts ...

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#17 2005-04-25 8:54 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

You can keep a Shuffle almost anywhere.

And, unlike the Glock, it'll increase Apple's marketshare.


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#18 2005-04-25 9:04 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

"People should always be aware, but especially when they've got white headphones dangling from their ears."

Uh OH, they said white head phones. Doesn't that offend you? Arent they incinuating racial crimes here? Don't  railroad my threads either.

Anyway. Flaunting a 400 or 500 dollar small music device in a poor neighborhood is stupid.


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#19 2005-04-25 10:10 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

midgetcop wrote:

The iPod earbuds really bite anyway. I use my Sony sport heaedphones.

I always used to think they hurt too, but once you've developed the ear-calluses, they're not bad at all... I swore I wouldn't let someone scare me from using my iPod in public, but now-a-days, travelling around London a couple of times a week, I refuse to wear ear-phones at all!


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#20 2005-04-25 10:23 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

NokX wrote:

get yourself a concealed handgun license - your ipod might not look so appealing to them then

That's flawed logic. How is a concealed handgun supposed to deter anyone?

Bad suggestion.

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#21 2005-04-25 10:26 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

When traveling in a dangerous area, such as a deserted street at night or on an empty subway platform, never listen to headphones or talk on a cellular phone. The majority of muggings occur because the victim wasn't paying attention to their surroundings.

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#22 2005-04-25 10:44 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Podesta wrote:

From the New York Post:

An iPod thief was nabbed shortly after he and a gang of young thugs pounced on a man jogging in Central Park and stole his popular music-playing device, police said.

. . .The trendy music players, which can cost several hundred dollars, have become a favorite target of muggers, particularly teenage thieves.

IPod thefts have skyrocketed in recent months and are believed to be a large reason behind a recent surge in subway crime - underground thefts were up nearly 20% through mid-March, according to police statistics.

IPodders also have been targeted above ground, typically at bus stops, police sources said.

"IPods are an easy target, whether you're on the train or, in this case, jogging through the park," said a police source.

"People should always be aware, but especially when they've got white headphones dangling from their ears."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ … 9134c.html

I consider myself relatively street smart, having lived in four cities, including a tough town, Philly.   But, I have stopped walking in the 'drugs and crime' blocks of Portland after dark, if I am alone.  I usually have my iPod with me while strolling or taking public transit, and that probably is a factor in the decision.   I upgraded to a 60 GB iPod Photo last Wednesday, so I would be even more chagrined than before if it was stolen.   Of course there are some interesting philosophical issues lurking in such a decision.  How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

umm, as far as I can tell, the article's from the daily news, not the post...
as for "iPodders" being targeted, it's possible, so just bring a gun along for the ride, like nokx suggested.
if that idea confuses you, don't call it illogical, just ask for an explanation. here's one: if you have a gun, they might be a little more hesitant to attack, because a gun could hurt and/or kill them. (you'd make it not concealed if you feel threatened, no need to show off a gun otherwise)
another option would be learn to run faster than anyone else...

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#23 2005-04-25 10:45 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Sternum wrote:

How is a concealed handgun supposed to deter anyone?

"Since 1991, the number of privately owned firearms in the U.S. has increased by about 50 million, the number of right-to-carry states has increased from 15 to 37, and violent crime has decreased every year."
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/DidYouKnow … aspx?ID=97

Areas with high percentage of concealed carry firearm permits have a direct and corresponding reduction in crime... sorry to break your bubble but it is true!


Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger/Benedict XVI: "a simple, humble worker in God's vineyard." Habemus Papem!

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#24 2005-04-25 11:04 am

MrJ in OZ
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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Heres some songs to put on your iPOD.
http://163.121.12.9/islam/STAGE_POOL.sHTM


*Fallacy at its zenith kids.* "Who is this "we" you keep talking about? What price have "you" paid for this war? Blah, Blah. Its hardly a "we" proposition."

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#25 2005-04-25 11:19 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Those cool ski jackets that you put your iPod in and then control it from a sleeve panel...this would be a good alternative.  A thief can't easily rip off your jacket and run away with it.  Additional benefits include padding in case of a nasty fall, and being the only person cool enough to wear a ski jacket on the subway.


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