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The evidence that the persons involved were likely operating from racial bias has already been presented.  Feel free to read my comments explaining how I reached that conclusion since you apparently haven't, Steyr.   And, no, I am not falling for 'we didn't know the child is black.'  I'm sure most people did, considering national coverage of the episode on television.

Steyr AUG wrote:

Onthebeach wrote:

Let's call the cops every time a five year old has a tantrum. SWAT for a seven year old and the marines for anything older.
The teacher in question should think about changing her job.
Maybe the cops too as they seem to think it easier to handcuff a child rather than using their imagination. Do they handcuff their own kids when they misbehave?

When they come in to an unknown situation with a reportedly violent suspect you bet they should be putting handcuffs on them.

"A reportedly violent suspect" does not accurately describe a five year old having a tantrum does it?

Podesta wrote:

]That is true of children of all colors, so Oz, Steyr, You Know Who, and the not yet arrived, but completely predictable BB1 through 3, should feel free to spare us the 'blacks are inherently violent,' attempt at justification.

Y'know jackass, I am 1/2 Samoan. Do you consider me black? I think all you see is black and white. I don't consider myself black. I don't consider myself white. I consider myself at present, of middle class. The only differences I see in society are rich vs poor. you are fighting the wrong fight dumba*s. Sure some people act in a stupid or poor manor somtimes, but the only difference I see in humanity is wealth. Try focusing beyond your nose.  To me it sound like you have a bunch of accusations but nothin to back them up with.

I think this is the forum for you.
http://www.jimgoad.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaB … 066060319.


"One accusation you can't throw at me is that I've always done my best." 

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Steyr AUG wrote:

What on earth is "the BB" and why did you associate me with them?

I'm probably BB, which to him if I remember right stands for Bigoted Bastard 1.

His way of saying my name without mentioning it... but alas he is probably the biggest bigot here. Or at least the most confused.

Cyberpawz wrote:

The school teachers and faculty are technically not even allowed to touch a child, or they can be sued. A child can punch hit, throw things at the teacher but the teacher can't do anything back except tell the student to calm down or to tell them to have a "time out". The schools now have to hire faculty which are allowed to handle the child if they get out of control...

This issue was debated over the weekend by the news media. The school was correct to videotape the disruptive child and call the police. The child should be suspended until the parent(s) can teach her basic manners and respect. Further the parent(s) should be warned about any future behavior acts being grounds for permanent dismissal. And I agree that school should have right to discipline child in such circumstances.

Steyr AUG wrote:

All the police are going to know is that they were called because someone was reportedly being violent. This dispacher isn't going to say "girl having a temper tantrum" they are going to say "reportedly violent suspect at location, use caution" or similar.

B.S.

How do you know what a dispatcher will say? You don't think they're allowed to use specifics? You honestly think a dispatcher are not going to distinguish between a possible violent offender and a 5 year-old child? You think the dispatcher is going to advise the police to "use caution"?

And regardless of how it was dispatched, you don't think the police could see the situation for what it was WHEN THEY GOT THERE? What, they couldn't recognize the fact that they were dealing with a child throwing a temper tantrum in a school??

midgetcop wrote:

It's disturbing, excessive, and completely innappropriate...

Yes it is, HOWEVER, new rules have taken discipline AWAY from teachers, so that makes it COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE! Let teachers discipline problem students, LIKE THEY USE TO, and handcuffs and videotape will be unnecessary! Can't have your cake and eat it too!

NokX wrote:

the teacher should've been more convincing she was serious about the girl behaving, in my opinion.  it just seemed - to me - that she was just nonchalantly saying "no...please...don't do that...no..." instead of sitting her down and being serious with her that she needs to not act up.

The problem is that, that is exactly what the teacher/principle has been allowed to do... they can verbally tell the student not to do anything, but in many cases not be allowed to touch the child at all. 

NokX wrote:

however - if i was a betting man - i'd place my money that her family life isn't exactly stellar, either.  the same mom that's bringing up the lawsuit against the school system probably let's her child run-a-muck at the house, too.

I'd agree to that one without having to see the parents at all.

NokX wrote:

i've done volunteer work for kids in urban and rural settings and you can definitely tell which kids' parents pay attention to them at home and which don't.  there were more misbehaved kids in the urban areas, but in both settings - the kids who acted up had similar parenting backgrounds.  makes a huge difference.

And do you think that any of these kids will be upstanding citizens in the near future?

midgetcop wrote:

Camp David wrote:

midgetcop wrote:

It's disturbing, excessive, and completely innappropriate...

Yes it is, HOWEVER, new rules have taken discipline AWAY from teachers, so that makes it COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE! Let teachers discipline problem students, LIKE THEY USE TO, and handcuffs and videotape will be unnecessary! Can't have your cake and eat it too!

What do you mean "LIKE THEY USE TO"? Like, caning?

Corporal punishment works for me...

spare the rod, spoil the child

and that's not necessarily saying you have to hit the kid, but if you don't act right then and there the child won't learn.  and again, the big problem - i'm sure - is at home.

This article seems to go into a bit more detail...including what the teacher did.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/22/South … e_ha.shtml

It also states how she had ALREADY been transferred from another school for the same behavior, and you can hear the police officer saying Remember me? I told your mother the last time that you be cuffed the next time. And they already removed the other children and adult, leaving only 2 in there...

Clearly this girl is continually a behavior problem...and with nothing ever happening to her she would only get worse.

Where we used to live our neighbors were the neighbors from hell, constantly in trouble with the police. The one 9yr old boy pulled a knife on my son, we called the police, and they handcuffed him and put him in the cruiser. So many kids today just have NO bounderies or respect for adults...this girl showed absolutely NO respect.

beat her.
beat her parents.
hell, beat me!

:throws tantrum:

Some people actually think the longer account of what happened helps the police department?   There's 'naive,' but there is also 'stupid.'   The information in the link Laura posted does not help the police department, though it is somewhat favorable to the school.  (We are going to treat the information as accurate, though it may not be.)

Last edited by Podesta (2005-04-25 3:06 pm)