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#151 2005-05-28 12:05 am
- Robert B.
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Uhhh, yeah... I don't need a cyberpawz education on how FOIA works. I know it.
And there are means of obtaining information other than relying on government.
"Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb."
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#152 2005-05-28 12:11 am
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
No I said they should not report anything unless they have 100% factual truth, but during war time they should not be able to report anything that is war orientated unless it's been censured through the military/government at that time...
...but what Kerry was saying was during war time, and they likely could not determine its accuracy...yet you wanted them to report about it.
They could, and would if Kerry's reports are accurate, and also back up the reports by any survivors, and also by any other military personnel with the people who served with him, and his superiors... (and if Kerry ever released all his military records, but that's another story)
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However, you do NOT want them to report about those reported abuses at Gitmo...made by people who were there and saw them with their own eyes.
Make up your mind, man!
For the third time... only if they have undefinable proof... and people who were there namely prisoners? Yeah really good sources. Gitimo is still hasn't been proven, even with what has been released it hasn't proven anything solid as of yet, unlike Kerry whom he himself stated in his own words on TV he has committed acts which could be considered war crimes.
bratboy wrote:
And if it got to the point where they did report something during war time that caused deaths of Americans, and can be proven that their actions did... (and not hypothetical) then those people who allowed the report to go through on the government side, and the people who published it on the newspaper side, should be held accountable for causing the deaths of american solders by their actions...
...so anyone who evokes violence by insurgents is guilty of...this imaginary charge you're making up?
What if the president says something ("so and so are axis of evil") and something gets blown up in response. Is the president guilty?
This is absurd.
If the military and government did what I suggested by having a blackout of information in or out to the public unless they release it, the president wouldn't be saying anything of what he has to now, because no one would know 1/2 of what is going on except by what the government and military wanted the US and world to know.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#153 2005-05-28 12:14 am
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Robert B. wrote:
Uhhh, yeah... I don't need a cyberpawz education on how FOIA works. I know it.
And there are means of obtaining information other than relying on government.
Which if not careful those people if they go around the military and the government can be accused of treason... if the information kills American solderers in the field.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
Bhagavad Gita (c.B.C. 400)
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#154 2005-05-28 12:15 am
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
For the third time... only if they have undefinable proof... and people who were there namely prisoners? Yeah really good sources. Gitimo is still hasn't been proven, even with what has been released it hasn't proven anything solid as of yet, unlike Kerry whom he himself stated in his own words on TV he has committed acts which could be considered war crimes.
NO, agents of the government that were there (hello, what do you think all this talk about FBI agents was about?)! Keep up, please.
If the military and government did what I suggested by having a blackout of information in or out to the public unless they release it, the president wouldn't be saying anything of what he has to now, because no one would know 1/2 of what is going on except by what the government and military wanted the US and world to know.
So if the government does it, it's okay?
You'll notice that these recent reports about the quran destruction come from the Pentagon itself...
See, this is based on how YOU think it should work. Why all this talk about holding so and so accountable for this and that? You know that it doesn't actually work the way YOU think it should (thank f-ing god)....
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#155 2005-05-28 12:17 am
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
Robert B. wrote:
Uhhh, yeah... I don't need a cyberpawz education on how FOIA works. I know it.
And there are means of obtaining information other than relying on government.Which if not careful those people if they go around the military and the government can be accused of treason... if the information kills American solderers in the field.
Shouldn't you be more concerned about the immoral ACTIONS that might have the result of harm being caused to our soldiers and not the LEGAL reporting of such immoral actions?
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#156 2005-05-28 12:22 am
- jerwin
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
If you can create your own reality, you can create your own morality.
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
Central Intelligence Agency. (1983). Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual
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#157 2005-05-28 12:36 am
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
And if you really need, here....
Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against HumanityArticle I
No statutory limitation shall apply to the following crimes, irrespective of the date of their commission:
( a ) War crimes as they are defined in the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, N
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.Offline
#158 2005-05-28 12:39 am
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
jerwin wrote:
If you can create your own reality, you can create your own morality.
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
Bhagavad Gita (c.B.C. 400)
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#159 2005-05-28 12:39 am
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
He's advocated more than a few in the past, IIRC...
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#160 2005-05-28 12:41 am
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
JakeTheTall wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
And if you really need, here....
Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against HumanityArticle I
No statutory limitation shall apply to the following crimes, irrespective of the date of their commission:
( a ) War crimes as they are defined in the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, N
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#161 2005-05-28 12:41 am
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
jerwin wrote:
If you can create your own reality, you can create your own morality.
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.
Could you translate that to english?
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
--Paul Krugman
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#162 2005-05-28 12:42 am
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
jerwin wrote:
If you can create your own reality, you can create your own morality.
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.
Could you translate that to english?
Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#163 2005-05-28 12:45 am
- bedstuy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Robert B. wrote:
I don't need a cyberpawz education on how FOIA works.
Hope you have money. If he charges for "research" I can only how much a full semester coure is!
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#164 2005-05-28 12:46 am
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.Could you translate that to english?
Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.
That isn't true. I've seen various non-liberal viewpoints considered, debated, and approved of by others on this board. Not everyone on this board is a "liberal," so it only stands to reason that the "logic" of non-liberal viewpoints have been accepted by another poster on this board at some point.
Granted, your "viewpoints" have not faired so well.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#165 2005-05-28 2:00 am
- Warin
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.
Could you translate that to english?
Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.
That's funny. You seem to be implying that "liberals" think guys like Farmerkev are illogical.
He certainly doesnt have a liberal viewpoint... and I suspect his average bowel movement is possesed of far more logic and rational thought than the best of your posts. Its not that everyone around here thinks that conservative = illogical.
What I have found here in Minithink is less an implication of conservative thought as illogical, and more an unwillingness to accept stupidity and allow it to thrive.
And as loathe as I am to do this...
Censure:
1 : a judgment involving condemnation
2 archaic : OPINION, JUDGMENT
3 : the act of blaming or condemning sternly
4 : an official reprimand
Censor
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable
Your arguement might carry weight if you actually used the correct words. Homonyms are a bitch, and using the wrong word just because it sounds similar makes you look like a moron. Just thought you might like to know...
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#166 2005-05-28 9:49 am
- Pithecanthropus
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
Pithecanthropus wrote:
There are around 2 Billion Muslims in the world. There are, at most, only a few thousand members of Al-Qaeda. Given the fact that the majority Muslims ARE NOT terrorists, and are actually peaceful people, it makes no sense to withhold any information based on the reaction of a tiny minority.
are you serious?
Yes, I am dead serious. You don't start censoring news because of the acts of a few. Show me the logic in that.
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#167 2005-05-28 7:04 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
For the third time... only if they have undefinable proof... and people who were there namely prisoners? Yeah really good sources. Gitimo is still hasn't been proven, even with what has been released it hasn't proven anything solid as of yet, unlike Kerry whom he himself stated in his own words on TV he has committed acts which could be considered war crimes.
NO, agents of the government that were there (hello, what do you think all this talk about FBI agents was about?)! Keep up, please.
If the military and government did what I suggested by having a blackout of information in or out to the public unless they release it, the president wouldn't be saying anything of what he has to now, because no one would know 1/2 of what is going on except by what the government and military wanted the US and world to know.
So if the government does it, it's okay?
You'll notice that these recent reports about the quran destruction come from the Pentagon itself...
See, this is based on how YOU think it should work. Why all this talk about holding so and so accountable for this and that? You know that it doesn't actually work the way YOU think it should (thank f-ing god)....
Did cyberpawz give up on this one?
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#168 2005-05-28 8:00 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Pithecanthropus wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Pithecanthropus wrote:
There are around 2 Billion Muslims in the world. There are, at most, only a few thousand members of Al-Qaeda. Given the fact that the majority Muslims ARE NOT terrorists, and are actually peaceful people, it makes no sense to withhold any information based on the reaction of a tiny minority.
Yes, I am dead serious. You don't start censoring news because of the acts of a few. Show me the logic in that.
The acts of a few controlled an entire government for the best of almost 20 years in Afghanistan... and even longer in Iraq.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#169 2005-05-28 8:01 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
bratboy wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
For the third time... only if they have undefinable proof... and people who were there namely prisoners? Yeah really good sources. Gitimo is still hasn't been proven, even with what has been released it hasn't proven anything solid as of yet, unlike Kerry whom he himself stated in his own words on TV he has committed acts which could be considered war crimes.
NO, agents of the government that were there (hello, what do you think all this talk about FBI agents was about?)! Keep up, please.
If the military and government did what I suggested by having a blackout of information in or out to the public unless they release it, the president wouldn't be saying anything of what he has to now, because no one would know 1/2 of what is going on except by what the government and military wanted the US and world to know.
So if the government does it, it's okay?
You'll notice that these recent reports about the quran destruction come from the Pentagon itself...
See, this is based on how YOU think it should work. Why all this talk about holding so and so accountable for this and that? You know that it doesn't actually work the way YOU think it should (thank f-ing god)....Did cyberpawz give up on this one?
No, I just gave up on you since you'll never change your mind.
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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#170 2005-05-28 8:06 pm
- bedstuy
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
bratboy wrote:
Did cyberpawz give up on this one?
Try forwarding him a retainer. Send to: Village Idiot, Wherever, MA 02150
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#171 2005-05-28 9:01 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Any morality beyond what the liberal viewpoint is a morality that imaginative.Could you translate that to english?
Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.
Wow. Just... wow.
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#172 2005-05-28 9:01 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Cyberpawz wrote:
Pithecanthropus wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Yes, I am dead serious. You don't start censoring news because of the acts of a few. Show me the logic in that.
The acts of a few controlled an entire government for the best of almost 20 years in Afghanistan... and even longer in Iraq.
I'm not sure you should take the Taleban as a yardstick against which to measure the freedoms of the U.S. but perhaps that's just me. I'm kind of old fashined that way.
If any ask us why we died,
Tell them 'Because our fathers lied'.
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#173 2005-05-28 9:03 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
KingFred wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Could you translate that to english?Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.
Wow. Just... wow.
Relax Fred. It translates as "anything I say on this forum is not accepted as logic." First sensible thing I've seen him say.
If any ask us why we died,
Tell them 'Because our fathers lied'.
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#174 2005-05-28 9:07 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Onthebeach wrote:
KingFred wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Anything but a liberal viewpoint on this forum is not accepted as logic.Wow. Just... wow.
Relax Fred. It translates as "anything I say on this forum is not accepted as logic." First sensible thing I've seen him say.
Does that mean 'pawz is a liberal now?
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#175 2005-05-28 9:09 pm
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Re: Proof of Koran being mistreated! *Gasp!*
Onthebeach wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Pithecanthropus wrote:
Yes, I am dead serious. You don't start censoring news because of the acts of a few. Show me the logic in that.The acts of a few controlled an entire government for the best of almost 20 years in Afghanistan... and even longer in Iraq.
I'm not sure you should take the Taleban as a yardstick against which to measure the freedoms of the U.S. but perhaps that's just me. I'm kind of old fashined that way.
As far as I can tell Saddam wasn't part of the Taleban was he?
Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.
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