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Cyberpawz wrote:

I made a very comprehensible statement, if it wasn't instead of doing the smurf he did he should of asked what did I mean by "...", instead of coming back with an immature response as such.

Of course that wouldn't of made a perfect time for your oh so witty post

How about this, instead of making fun of the way I post, you ask questions? Or is that too hard for you and people like you and brendave  to do?

My post wasn't very witty.

I don't have any questions to ask, but I do admire the way brendave expressed his thoughts.

OK Paws, I apologize for my immature post.  You are correct on that point.  It was immature.  Just PLEASE try to read some of your posts before you submit them.  Some are very hard to understand.  Some posts seem like you wrote one thing, then went back and edited it without reading the whole sentence/ paragraph through again.  My point was you do not chop off an arm (black out the press) to take care of a splinter (a few bad reports).

The Washington Post has printed a editorial apropos to this discussion.

An unnamed source wrote:

...If the administration really wanted to prevent the spread of unfounded rumors, and to convince people in this country and abroad that abuses no longer take place, then a public, written report should have been published months ago. The American public has a right to know what mistakes are being made in its name, as well as what improved procedures have been instituted in response.

benightedbastard wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

On a final note, what does it matter if the Koran is flushed down the toilet, or desecrated at all? The belief in a religion is not held within a book it's inside a person's body, their soul, and their mind...

The Koran is just a book with words, as is the Bible, or any other religious parchment for that matter. They all tell a story, they all tell things, but it is up to the person to follow that belief, and the belief comes from within, not from a book.

Okay, I will try to contribute.


What does it matter if someone burns an american flag?

It doesn't... it's a freedom of speech in the US...  I don't agree with people doing it, but I won't kill someone over it.

And if the government misbehaves? What then?

Also do you realize there was a time where the president of the US didn't know if we were going to win WWII? Did anyone report that? If no then why?

brendave wrote:

jerwin wrote:

And if the government misbehaves? What then?

Good point.  Free press is another check and balance in our society.  Take that away and who is watching the watchers?  If I could refer you (CP), to one of your own posts?  The "It's our country and not Congresses" post has relevance here as well.  It is our country, not the governments, and we have a right to know

unnamed source wrote:

what mistakes are being made in its name, as well as what improved procedures have been instituted in response.

There are some things that the people of the US should never know about, and one of them in many cases is what the military does in our name without us knowing about it....

And what I meant by that quote was about the politicians, not the military.

brendave wrote:

CP, you  never accepted my apology

I accepted, you just never asked me in the post to accept it... You just said you were sorry...

And as for my response

brendave wrote:

OK Paws, I apologize for my immature post.  You are correct on that point.  It was immature.  Just PLEASE try to read some of your posts before you submit them.  Some are very hard to understand.  Some posts seem like you wrote one thing, then went back and edited it without reading the whole sentence/ paragraph through again.  My point was you do not chop off an arm (black out the press) to take care of a splinter (a few bad reports).

Mass did that with it's insurance problem a while back.  It kicked out every insurance company in the state till they fixed what was wrong at that time...

The country could do the same thing with the press... prohibit publishing about anything the military does till it has been verified as truth.  If they don't then the person who reported it should be held accountable, and not only loose their job, but also pay for any damages that may occur from their articles... sort of like when the American soldiers that died during the riots of the first Newsweeks article.

Pundit Guy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Pundit Guy wrote:

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Care to try again?

Care to refute anything said in the post? In addition to the grammar lesson, there were serious questions raised about the content of your argument.

Then post that part without the unneeded grammar lesson and I will respond.  I don't have time, or the want to go through and pick and choose what to read, and post a response to any more. Since your grammar lesson was wrong to begin with, but if you want to deal with that, do it in an E-mail, not here.

jondaris wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

On a final note, what does it matter if the Koran is flushed down the toilet, or desecrated at all? The belief in a religion is not held within a book it's inside a person's body, their soul, and their mind...

The Koran is just a book with words, as is the Bible, or any other religious parchment for that matter. They all tell a story, they all tell things, but it is up to the person to follow that belief, and the belief comes from within, not from a book.

As I understand it, Muslims do believe that the Koran as a physical object is imbued with holy properties. Under your belief system it makes no difference, but under theirs it does.

And before you dismiss that as ridiculous, let me remind you that there are millions of Catholics who believe in the miracle of transubstantiation, which is in some ways the same thing.

And would they commit murder upon someone who had nothing to do with the person that desecrated the bible?

jondaris wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

There are some things that the people of the US should never know about, and one of them in many cases is what the military does in our name without us knowing about it....

And what I meant by that quote was about the politicians, not the military.

I think this sums up your argument completely. You believe in the absolute power of the government. Life in a dictatorship is just fine with you.

No, I believe the government should be held accountable for its' actions, but the military is a completely different entity than the government as a whole.

jerwin wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Since your grammar lesson was wrong to begin with, but if you want to deal with that, do it in an E-mail, not here.

:lol

It was, and if you want to discuss it, do it by E-mail. 

Now how about actually getting back on topic... or is that too tough?

brendave wrote:

Through our restriction of freedoms we become even more free!

I brendave. 
That is all.