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Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

No. You come to the US, you learn the language. We didn't do it for anyone else, so why should this be a special case?

And you don't learn Spanish to get better deals in open market, you learn French, German, Russian, and a handful of others.  Spanish is very low on the scale.

Yes, because no other immigrant group (Italians, Jews, Germans, etc etc) ever spoke their language for a generation or two after coming to America.  I've heard there's a number of churches in Minnesota/Wisconsin area that have services completely in the German language.


Also, don't true red-blooded Americans hate Germans and French? 

Finally, to learn Russian to "get better deals in open market" ??  Read any newspapers in the past year or two ?

Lets see and take this a step at a time...

How long have illegal immigrants be coming over the border? More than a single generation. This is a problem that should of been solved well over 20 years ago.

The ones that are here how have had kids and grandkids... I think it's about time they start learning English don't you?

And only people who hold grudges hate Germans and the French.  I look long term, not short term. And Spanish isn't in the equation.

Okay, Cyber. If we follow your logic here, than when are all of us going to learn all of the Native American dialects and languages? I mean if it's about who was here first, absolutism and total conformity work much better than having  an adaptable cultural outlook, huh?

bratboy wrote:

jax wrote:

You know, if CP would have just had all of his money ready from the beginning none of this would have happened. It's not about having poor math skills, it's that when people pull that last minute 'oh I've got some change' crap it totally throws off your train of thought. To be honest, I don't even understand how his displeasure with the romantic language known as 'Espanol' has anything to do with him being a difficult customer at Burger King. Everyone likes to make fun of fast food jobs but it can be a very high stress level job, especially for a teenager who's just starting out in the workforce.

Oh, didn't you see?  That story was BS.  He plagiarized it, word-for-word.

Yeah, I skipped a couple pages.
Plagiarism? CP, why do you hate creative writing?

zdecker wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Oh, didn't you see?  That story was BS.  He plagiarized it, word-for-word.

Yeah, you'd think he could have at least changed the name of the restaurant to some place more respectable.

As long as it didn't happen at a Chinese food place. They're all really good at math and it wouldn't have been believable. It's just those Spanish speaking folk who can't make change.

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Simple, the state of education that this country is worse than some third world countries. If we are to be a 1st world country, we better start acting like it, and actually educate our kids... instead of teaching them how to learn with their feelings, and how everyone is right, and there is no wrong answer.

Seriously, you have any links or whatnot to back that up?  Mainly how American education is worse than some third world countries.

And some proposal in a school district in Florida to change grades to 1,2, and 3 doesn't count.

http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/keyinfo/pdfs/pisa_reading.pdf

Is that intended as a insult to our fair northern neighbor?

bratboy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Seriously, you have any links or whatnot to back that up?  Mainly how American education is worse than some third world countries.

And some proposal in a school district in Florida to change grades to 1,2, and 3 doesn't count.

http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/keyinfo/pdfs/pisa_reading.pdf

So is Finland a third world country, or Japan?

And yet we use one of those two for a majority of our products I wonder why?  Cheap uneducated labor... Sorry but I'm not willing to go that way with the US just yet, just because you think everyone that comes into the US illegally deserves a chance.

As for the rest:

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2005021

Cyberpawz wrote:

And yet we use one of those two for a majority of our products I wonder why?  Cheap uneducated labor... Sorry but I'm not willing to go that way with the US just yet, just because you think everyone that comes into the US illegally deserves a chance.

As for the rest:

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2005021

Japan and China are two different places, you know...

Cyberpawz wrote:

As for the rest:

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2005021

That says absolutely nothing about "third world countries."  Do you even know what one is?

zdecker wrote:

If you speak three languages, you are trilingual. 
If you speak two languages, you are bilingual. 
If you speak only one language, you are an American. 

My experience has shown me that this is usually true.  Sadly, I am also an example of this as I am still struggling to learn Spanish. 

Most American students are already required to take a foreign language in high school, in college, or both.  Even so, the majority of Americans still do not speak a second language. 
Students should be required to take foreign language classes much earlier, in elementary school, when it would be easier for them to learn another language.  Spanish would be a fine choice for such classes, but so would French, German, Japanese, Russian or any other major language. 

Not being able to speak more than one language is an inability and should not be defended.

Learn Latin first and you can break down some of the others with great ease (French, Spanish, Italian). Ironically, English isn't from Latin, it is Germanic with some Northern influenced added into the lexicon.

zdecker wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

As for the rest:

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2005021

That says absolutely nothing about "third world countries."  Do you even know what one is?

Based on the link that he posted, we can assume that Cyber thinks that a third world country is equivalent to a G8 country.

Maybe he thinks it's any country that he isn't a part of?

Ok, how about these?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu … mp;int=-1#       <---- Math
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_sci_lit                    <---- Science
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu … amp;int=-1   <---- English

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu … amp;int=-1 <--- Total Expenditure of Education for GDP?

Far as I can tell the US is doing a lousy job with it's education of the future when it comes to how much it pours into the educational system.

Cyberpawz wrote:

Actually it did happen, I picked up the rest from a site though, it is true.  But non the less it did happen and the fact is that it's still the truth, no matter what prism you look it though.

Please.

You plagiarized a story and claim that you only did so because they exact same thing that happened in the story actually happened to you?

You've got to be kidding.

Cyberpawz wrote:

Why not amuse me, or are you just going to deny that the US doesn't have an educational problem?

Moving the goal posts?  How unlike you!

I didn't deny that the U.S. has an "education problem."

You said this:

Simple, the state of education that this country is worse than some third world countries.

As usual, you failed to back it up.