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Kosh · 2005-06-06 10:37 pm

Hmm. I was planning on buying a G5 sometime, and I would still like to get one. I'll have to see how the prices fall out, now, though. Perhaps my view will change, but I currently don't see myself ever getting an x86 Mac. I might as well just buy / build an AMD64 box & run *BSD or Linux. shrug My QuickSilver G4 should run for several more years in any case.

Oh well, perhaps I'll feel less, um, "dumped" on eventually. <<hugs his RISC-CPU Macs>> hmm

Ronald Reagan · 2005-06-06 10:55 pm

Gatchaman wrote:
Pariah wrote:
I think in the next 2 years we will see sales of new Macs fall to levals never seen before.
No matter how well Apple spins it or how perfectly the universal binary thing goes they have just declared PPC to be dead end technology and how many people are going to want to buy into that?
Most people won't care. They'll just get excited when the see the well designed hardware and hear the salesman tell them that they can have both the stability and security of OS X with complete access to ALL windows software. Look for companies to run bundle promotions with copies of XP (or Longhorn).

The average customer will not do dual-boot.

lamewing · 2005-06-07 5:40 am

Beattie wrote:
Mars_Attacks wrote:
Why buy an Apple when you can get a Dell for $299 that does the same thing now?

This is bad news for Apple. Really bad news.

At least I can look foreward to malware now. I didn't know what I was missing.
Are you really this dumb?

How does changing a CPU (hardware) open the OS/Applications (software) up to more malware?

You wont be able to run OSX on regular PC hardware... Apple will still make special hardware that is allowed to run it, and integrates everything well.

The answer to your question is, Yes.

lamewing · 2005-06-07 5:45 am

akb825 wrote:
They keep it from running on 3rd party systems with a proprietary version of OpenFirmware. They could conceivably get pretty good emulation using PearPC, but without the proper firmware it won't be possible to boot up in OS X.

Apple isn' t going to use a standard PC mobo, just an Intel chip. Also, they could use open firmare, or heck, go back in time and put mac roms on the new mobos. In either case, I am ready to buy my new mac. "ONE machine to rule them all..." no "my precious" comments smile

Overall, I LIKE the idea of running OS X and Windows on the same machine (Mac). Until then, desktop sales will probably drop. Apple knows this and is ready for it. I do see more minis being sold. Also, Apple said, by this time next year, we will be able to purchase the first Intel Mac. I will be there with bells on.

lamewing · 2005-06-07 5:51 am

Kosh wrote:
Hmm. I was planning on buying a G5 sometime, and I would still like to get one. I'll have to see how the prices fall out, now, though. Perhaps my view will change, but I currently don't see myself ever getting an x86 Mac. I might as well just buy / build an AMD64 box & run *BSD or Linux. My QuickSilver G4 should run for several more years in any case.

Oh well, perhaps I'll feel less, um, "dumped" on eventually. <<hugs his RISC-CPU Macs>>

Oh my, the drama!. PLEASE. Put an PPC and an Intel Mac next to one another and you won't be able to tell the difference. Are you REALLY saying you would dump OS X for linux, JUST because of the cpu inside your computer case? <Shakes head at the silliness of some Mac folks (NOT at the one with half a brain)>

lamewing · 2005-06-07 5:56 am

Ronald Reagan wrote:
Gatchaman wrote:
Pariah wrote:
I think in the next 2 years we will see sales of new Macs fall to levals never seen before.
No matter how well Apple spins it or how perfectly the universal binary thing goes they have just declared PPC to be dead end technology and how many people are going to want to buy into that?
Most people won't care. They'll just get excited when the see the well designed hardware and hear the salesman tell them that they can have both the stability and security of OS X with complete access to ALL windows software. Look for companies to run bundle promotions with copies of XP (or Longhorn).
The average customer will not do dual-boot.

I think you will be suprised at how many WILL dual-boot. Especially those (like my wife) who use PCs and don't like Macs. Now we both can have a Mac and we both can boot into either OS when we sit down to work. Plus I will be able to run games (read MODERN games - not 3 to 5 year old games or card games) on that very same Mac.

Yes, I am posting quite a bit regarding this switch. I have been hoping for the change for years (I won a long standing $50.00 bet too!!!!) Many posts or not, can't people see the advantage of this switch? The powerpc was dead in the water (for the mac), especially for future laptops. In the long run, things will work out and all will be fine. I haven't been this excited with Apple since the inception of the Apple IIgs!!!

Pariah · 2005-06-07 6:02 am

lamewing wrote:
I haven't been this excited with Apple since the inception of the Apple IIgs!!!

Ya, and we all remember how well that worked out. neutral

MysticCow · 2005-06-07 12:46 pm

lamewing wrote:
Plus I will be able to run games (read MODERN games - not 3 to 5 year old games or card games) on that very same Mac.

It should make porting games to the Mac a billion times easier with the same processor running both Windows and Mac OS X.

Apelock · 2005-06-07 4:12 pm

Pariah wrote:
I think in the next 2 years we will see sales of new Macs fall to levals never seen before.
No matter how well Apple spins it or how perfectly the universal binary thing goes they have just declared PPC to be dead end technology and how many people are going to want to buy into that?

Me - PPC will be on the market for at least 2 more years, and will still be the dominant Mac architecture of the installed base for years after that - by the time it becomes an issue, it will be time to upgrade anyway.

If you want a new computer, now would be a good time to buy - if they lower the price down the road, that would be an even better time.

I still think the G5 kicks ass. big_smile

MysticCow · 2005-06-07 4:27 pm

Over the next two years, Apple will continue to sell PPC Macs and it's simply because Intel doesn't have anything to replace the G5 just yet.

NAG · 2005-06-07 4:28 pm

That is complete speculation. We have no idea what Apple is up to.

MysticCow · 2005-06-07 4:50 pm

So is what everyone else is saying. Care to speculate with us or are you going to be "high and mighty"?

XYZ · 2005-06-08 2:39 pm

I think you will be suprised at how many WILL dual-boot.

How many people want to juggle two operating systems? You're familiar with the 1001 Windows update patches, service packs, and the like? There are also updates and service packs for software packages. If someone is booted into one operating system and they want to do something, they'll have to have Office and other software for both operating systems. That's expensive.

Dual-boot is far too much trouble for the average user. In fact, it's a really crappy idea from an efficiency standpoint.

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stoned · 2005-06-08 2:55 pm

you can still find lots of new G4s around and they are CHEAP! i don't plan on buying any G5s until there are no more G4s to purchase.

for the original poster- there is no point in waiting for intel... if you need a new machine then get one now.

Kosh · 2005-06-12 4:39 am

lamewing wrote:
Kosh wrote:
Hmm. I was planning on buying a G5 sometime, and I would still like to get one. I'll have to see how the prices fall out, now, though. Perhaps my view will change, but I currently don't see myself ever getting an x86 Mac. I might as well just buy / build an AMD64 box & run *BSD or Linux. My QuickSilver G4 should run for several more years in any case.

Oh well, perhaps I'll feel less, um, "dumped" on eventually. <<hugs his RISC-CPU Macs>>
Oh my, the drama!. PLEASE. Put an PPC and an Intel Mac next to one another and you won't be able to tell the difference. Are you REALLY saying you would dump OS X for linux, JUST because of the cpu inside your computer case? <Shakes head at the silliness of some Mac folks (NOT at the one with half a brain)>

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that (at least right now) if I were to be looking to buy an x86-based computer, I'd go the BSD / Linux route. I'm not planning on stopping using my QS, etc., and mentioned still wanting to get a G5 (a PowerMac G5, to be more specific), so by no means am I indicating a desire to dump OS X. As I said before, I should be good for several years with what I have now, even if I don't end up getting a G5.

pcguy · 2005-06-12 8:41 am

Why is there always another reason or secret roadmap?
maybe it is as simple as ibm did not and will not be able to meet Apple need for their future evo?

What do you want Steve or Apple PRguyto say in public while they are still and have to sell ppc mac for the next 2 yr?

As for AMD,
1. their current amd64 are fast but they have a really crappy track record of delivery on time, It was a huge issue with Apple during the G4/G5 era, why would Apple take a chance of having the same headache again?

2. Their laptop is total crap, I would take a Celeron M over amd64 (m?) anyday! and isn't laptop the future and already 50% of Apple computer sale.

toadkiller · 2005-06-12 11:17 am

lamewing wrote:
Kosh wrote:
Hmm. I was planning on buying a G5 sometime, and I would still like to get one. I'll have to see how the prices fall out, now, though. Perhaps my view will change, but I currently don't see myself ever getting an x86 Mac. I might as well just buy / build an AMD64 box & run *BSD or Linux. My QuickSilver G4 should run for several more years in any case.

Oh well, perhaps I'll feel less, um, "dumped" on eventually. <<hugs his RISC-CPU Macs>>
Oh my, the drama!. PLEASE. Put an PPC and an Intel Mac next to one another and you won't be able to tell the difference. Are you REALLY saying you would dump OS X for linux, JUST because of the cpu inside your computer case? <Shakes head at the silliness of some Mac folks (NOT at the one with half a brain)>

I could MAN! (Click on the little Apple logo, then "about this Mac") smile But yes, I agree who the hell cares?

existenz · 2005-06-12 2:16 pm

Buying a G5 tower is just fine. OS X and all of your apps will continue to work with the PPC chips for at least the next 5 years, probably 7-10 years. I'm sure the MacTel computers will be faster in 2007, but computers are always getting faster anyway.

The downside to buying a MacTel in 2006 is that you will be one of the early adopters, and thus will have to deal with the transition directly. I bought OS X the first day it came out and had to deal will all sorts of transition issues (hardly any apps worked, bugs galore, etc.) but I loved being a part of something new. This transition will be much more seamless. Most of us don't really give a damn about what processor is in our computer, only that it works fast enough for this kick-ass operating system that Apple has developed for us.

P.S. - "Mars Attacks" is one of the most idiotic trolls I've seen in these forums. A bigger Dell fan than fingerjello, which is saying a lot.

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