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#1 2005-06-16 8:45 pm

Cyberpawz
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Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … 506824.htm

How come I have to find this information on Aljazeera instead of an American Newspaper...

A Democratic Senator compared the American soldiers at Guantanamo to Nazis, no this isn't a joke... The direct quotes and minutes have been removed from the senator's website too...

http://www.senate.gov/~durbin/PressReleases/000328b.htm

This story is over 16 hours old... why haven't I heard any of this except from a conservative radio show today?

The only reason I can think of is that the newspapers and TV News programs don't have the balls to publish something this damaging against the democrats...

I'd love to be proven wrong but I can't see how... no main stream newspaper or TV News program has picked this up yet... and I've googled for the past 12 hrs...


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#2 2005-06-16 8:54 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Last time I checked the nazis never prosecuted their own soldiers for mistreating prisoners. This Bu$Hitler stuff is getting a little old.


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#3 2005-06-16 8:56 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Yeah I know...


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#4 2005-06-16 8:57 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

A rag is a slang term for a newspaper, so by definition TV cannot be a rag.

Also, you can't prove a negative.

Enough?


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#5 2005-06-16 9:00 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jondaris wrote:

Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

A rag is a slang term for a newspaper, so by definition TV cannot be a rag.

Also, you can't prove a negative.

Enough?

No it's not.


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#6 2005-06-16 9:00 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?


Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?

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#7 2005-06-16 9:08 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Then how about this:

A senator giving a speech that does not announce or comment on a policy initiative is not news. The job of the media is not to spread noxious, hypocritical conservative outrage. It is only news to "people" like Hannity who make their living stoking the anger felt by white men who need an outlet for their feelings of fear and helplessness.


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#8 2005-06-16 9:08 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Who's this pointed towards? As for this as proof, I checked for quite some time... and this didn't come up on the news section of Google...and still hasn't...

http://news.google.com/news?q=Nazi%2C%2 … amp;tab=wn

Routers only just showed up... Either google is having a nervous breakdown or something...  either way have you heard about this on the TV at all? Cause I haven't seen it on any newspaper either...


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#9 2005-06-16 9:10 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Cyberpawz wrote:

Who's this pointed towards? As for this as proof, I checked for quite some time... and this didn't come up on the news section of Google...and still hasn't...

http://news.google.com/news?q=Nazi%2C%2 … amp;tab=wn

Routers only just showed up... Either google is having a nervous breakdown or something...  either way have you heard about this on the TV at all? Cause I haven't seen it on any newspaper either...

Jondy,your post got in the way. Its from drudge.


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#10 2005-06-16 9:10 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jondaris wrote:

Then how about this:

A senator giving a speech that does not announce or comment on a policy initiative is not news. The job of the media is not to spread noxious, hypocritical conservative outrage. It is only news to "people" like Hannity who make their living stoking the anger felt by white men who need an outlet for their feelings of fear and helplessness.

I didn't hear it on Hannity, can't stand him personally.

And then what is the reason of the media? To spread noxious, hypocritical liberal outrage?


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#11 2005-06-16 9:13 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

I'm so sick of this crap. You guys whine like little girls -- "oh my god, he called american soldiers nazis." First, he did no such thing, and second, the issue is not rhetoric, it's smurfing torture. If the Bushies don't like being compared to nazis, they need to stop acting like them.


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#12 2005-06-16 9:15 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Today CNN.com ran a story on the Downing Street Memo. It was on the right hand side until it was knocked down to Inside Politics.

This is a memo that basically shows the administration a) planned to go to war the whole time and b) would bend intel to fit the policy. The memo was released in London in May.

I haven't seen any serious discussion of this in "liberal" media. (Of course, I no longer watch CNN.)

I don't know what to tell you if you're upset up a sixteen-hour-old story. Probably you should eat less sugar.

But keep complaining if it makes you feel better.


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#13 2005-06-16 9:16 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jondaris wrote:

I'm so sick of this crap. You guys whine like little girls -- "oh my god, he called american soldiers nazis." First, he did no such thing, and second, the issue is not rhetoric, it's smurfing torture. If the Bushies don't like being compared to nazis, they need to stop acting like them.

Cyberpawz is the only one whining in this thread... unless by "you guys" you mean the people writing columns about the remarks.


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#14 2005-06-16 9:18 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jondaris wrote:

I'm so sick of this crap. You guys whine like little girls -- "oh my god, he called american soldiers nazis." First, he did no such thing, and second, the issue is not rhetoric, it's smurfing torture. If the Bushies don't like being compared to nazis, they need to stop acting like them.

Booster, no one here has tortured anyone, and if you are all about the Bu$Hitler, perhaps you would like to explain why the military is prosecuting abusers, a totally non-nazi thing to do.

I anxiously await your analysis.


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#15 2005-06-16 9:18 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Pawz and the conservative outrage industry. They lap this stuff up like dog vomit.


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#16 2005-06-16 9:20 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Steyr AUG wrote:

Booster, no one here has tortured anyone, and if you are all about the Bu$Hitler, perhaps you would like to explain why the military is prosecuting abusers, a totally non-nazi thing to do.

I anxiously await your analysis.

Prosecuting low level soldiers and letting war criminals like Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney run free is not dealing with the problem.


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#17 2005-06-16 9:24 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jondaris wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Booster, no one here has tortured anyone, and if you are all about the Bu$Hitler, perhaps you would like to explain why the military is prosecuting abusers, a totally non-nazi thing to do.

I anxiously await your analysis.

Prosecuting low level soldiers and letting war criminals like Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney run free is not dealing with the problem.

If I wanted responses like that I would have gone to DuhmacraticUnderground. Do you have anything new or just the standard Bu$Hitler, AssKKKroft, etc we've come to expect?


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#18 2005-06-16 9:24 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Reuters

Another senior Senate Democrat, Richard Durbin of Illinois, drawing on conditions described in FBI documents, this week compared how U.S. jailers treat Guantanamo prisoners to actions by Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and former Cambodian leader Pol Pot. Some lawmakers and former President Jimmy Carter have called for the prison to be closed.

The White House denounced Durbin's comments.

``To compare the way our military treats detainees with the Soviet gulags, the Nazi concentration camps, and Pol Pot's regime is simply reprehensible,'' said spokesman Scott McClellan, noting those governments killed millions of people.
....

In a a speech on the Senate floor on Tuesday, Durbin read from FBI documents describing how U.S. military jailers chained detainees hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 to 24 hours at a time, with the prisoners urinating and defecating on themselves, placed them in frigid or very hot rooms and played extremely loud rap music.

``If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot, or others that had no concern for human beings,'' Durbin said.

AP

The White House and Senate Republicans on Thursday assailed a Democrat for comparing American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot.

It is ''beyond belief'' that Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin would compare the treatment of dangerous enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay to the death of millions of innocent people by oppressive governments, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

...


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#19 2005-06-16 9:26 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

People actually want to try convincing cyber and the sty of something?

What are you guys, masochists?


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#20 2005-06-16 9:27 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

People actually want to try convincing cyber and the sty of something?

What are you guys, masochists?

Hi and welcome to the thread.


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#21 2005-06-16 9:29 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Conservative pundits overwhelmingly dominate talk radio, an increasing large portion of TV commentary and totally own an entire network that makes not one bit of effort to be anything but a conservative soapbox(Fox News).
Even with all that we still get this whining, childish bitching.
Mainstream journalists today are lapdogs to the prevailing power in government and right now that Bush and his ilk. Politicians in general and conservatives in particular are getting a free ride today from the media.
I am sure any real reporter who worked in the 60s or 70s just looks at the state of reporting today and just wants to puke.


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#22 2005-06-16 9:29 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

jerwin wrote:

Reuters

Another senior Senate Democrat, Richard Durbin of Illinois, drawing on conditions described in FBI documents, this week compared how U.S. jailers treat Guantanamo prisoners to actions by Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and former Cambodian leader Pol Pot. Some lawmakers and former President Jimmy Carter have called for the prison to be closed.

The White House denounced Durbin's comments.

``To compare the way our military treats detainees with the Soviet gulags, the Nazi concentration camps, and Pol Pot's regime is simply reprehensible,'' said spokesman Scott McClellan, noting those governments killed millions of people.
....

In a a speech on the Senate floor on Tuesday, Durbin read from FBI documents describing how U.S. military jailers chained detainees hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 to 24 hours at a time, with the prisoners urinating and defecating on themselves, placed them in frigid or very hot rooms and played extremely loud rap music.

``If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot, or others that had no concern for human beings,'' Durbin said.

AP

The White House and Senate Republicans on Thursday assailed a Democrat for comparing American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot.

It is ''beyond belief'' that Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin would compare the treatment of dangerous enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay to the death of millions of innocent people by oppressive governments, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

...

Both are online, care to show me the paper version of this, or somewhere on TV where is has been produced? Or how about PBS... oh I forgot leave them out of it..


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#23 2005-06-16 9:31 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

Pariah wrote:

Conservative pundits overwhelmingly dominate talk radio, an increasing large portion of TV commentary and totally own an entire network that makes not one bit of effort to be anything but a conservative soapbox(Fox News).
Even with all that we still get this whining, childish bitching.
Mainstream journalists today are lapdogs to the prevailing power in government and right now that Bush and his ilk. Politicians in general and conservatives in particular are getting a free ride today from the media.
I am sure any real reporter who worked in the 60s or 70s just looks at the state of reporting today and just wants to puke.

brow I'd love to know what you listen to.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#24 2005-06-16 9:42 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

http://www.macaddict.com/forums/post/934055#p934055

(this link may not work properly in Safari)


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#25 2005-06-16 9:44 pm

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Re: Care to prove to me how the TV, and newspapers aen't a liberal rag?

mo' ron wrote:

http://www.macaddict.com/forums/post/934055#p934055

(this link may not work properly in Safari)

Got anything worthy to add or you just here to troll?


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