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resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Death for a christian isn't the same thing, death has been conquored. It isn't something to feared.

Yes, the concept of an eternal afterlife in heaven speaks nothing to a fear of death.

It isn't something to be feared. Really. It is gain.
While we live, we live to do his will. We don't always do a good job of it, but ...
When we die - we go to be with the Father. That is something we look forward to.

I don't look forward to the experience of dying, pain isn't fun - but I do know that it is going to happen regardless (unless messiah comes back first) - and I know that what is on the other side is better than what is here. We aren't of this world, only in it.

That's all well and good.  I don't buy into such things, and I do not fear death either.

However, I don't think it can be said that such beliefs applies to all "christians," generally.

bratboy wrote:

However, I don't think it can be said that such beliefs applies to all "christians," generally.

No, it doesn't.
It does apply to many though - for example, there was that christian girl at gun point at columbine - and she stood her ground when the kid wanted her to deny Jesus. Was she afraid? Sure - I would be too if a gun was pointed at me. But death has no sting, it has no bite, it has no sting - when it comes, we go to paradise (no, not the city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty).

Back to the medical abortion topic - if my wife was pregnant and the doctor said that she would die if she did not abort, would I be saddened? You betcha - but I also believe in the power of prayer and have seen miracles - they do happen. Would one happen? I don't know.

If she died, she would go to be with the father. It would be sad, sure - but there would be peace.
If she aborted and lived, yes - I would still have the woman I loved, but at the cost of premeditated killing of our child.

I don't believe an innocent life should be intentionally sacrificed to save another unless it is done so willingly. That's not decision the child can make.

If God worked a miracle and my wife and/or child survived without abortion, you betchya I'd be overjoyed - but if not, I still would know they were with the Father, and still have peace. I'm sure it would hurt, no doubt about it - but I would still have peace.

And there are plenty of cases where both did survive when a doctor said that both would die.

resedit wrote:

Back to the medical abortion topic - if my wife was pregnant and the doctor said that she would die if she did not abort, would I be saddened? You betcha - but I also believe in the power of prayer and have seen miracles - they do happen. Would one happen? I don't know.

If she died, she would go to be with the father. It would be sad, sure - but there would be peace.
If she aborted and lived, yes - I would still have the woman I loved, but at the cost of premeditated killing of our child.

I don't believe an innocent life should be intentionally sacrificed to save another unless it is done so willingly. That's not decision the child can make.

...and what would you do if your wife decided she'd rather not die in such a fashion?  What if you had other small children to be cared for?

resedit wrote:

I'm saddened that our society chose to kill her, especially in the way they did - death by dehydration.
That's no way to go, especially in a civilized country.

...because you would support other means of ending the life of a terminally ill patient, right?

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

I'm saddened that our society chose to kill her, especially in the way they did - death by dehydration.
That's no way to go, especially in a civilized country.

...because you would support other means of ending the life of a terminally ill patient, right?

If the patient wanted to die (which I don't know was the case with Terri but the courts said it was) in that type of scenario, I would support euthenesia (sp?) via lethal injection. Fast and to the point. But only when there really is no brain activity, which may have been the case with Terri.

Well, back to topic: more vague accusations against Michael:

I caught somebody on TV last night talking about the autopsy, complaining that there were no third-party witnesses allowed during the autopsy (Are there ever? Fla. coroners are not to be trusted?) and then he said that an autopsy wouldn't show soft-tissue damage after all those years: "a pillow on the face wouldn't have left any marks, not that I'm MAKING ANY ACCUSATIONS."

Sheesh.

user wrote:

Fla. coroners are not to be trusted?) and then he said that an autopsy wouldn't show soft-tissue damage after all those years: "a pillow on the face wouldn't have left any marks, not that I'm MAKING ANY ACCUSATIONS."

Smothering with a pillow certainly does leave marks.  Cuts an abrasions on the lips an tongue.  They would have certainly noticed these in the ambulance or ER.

Did Sean Hannity trot out those nurses again that claimed Terri could fly?

User, those people just won't give up.  A couple weeks ago, I posted an excerpt and a link to an article about the remaining protester at the hospice.  She is a multiple divorcee who was fired from her last job.  Her most recent husband was a child molester she had begun corresponding with while he was in prison.  After being released, he (surprise!) again  sexually abused children.  He committed suicide rather than go back to prison after being charged with molesting a four-year-old girl.  The woman said that when she heard those nurses on television she knew she must come to Florida and rescue Terri Schiavo.  She is  filled with bile against Michael Schiavo.  It is obvious that she is projecting her anger against herself and significant others onto him.   She can't face her losses, so she needs a scapegoat.  I would not be surprised if that is true of many  Michael Schiavo haters.

That kind of eletist smearing gives a liberals a bad name.
I wish you all would stop that - especially since you seem to do it with a double standard.

Stifle, Resedit.  To understand where the woman is coming from, you have to understand where she has been.  I think any intelligent person reading the comment would realize that I am not saying everyone who is divorced or has lost a job is a loser.   I'm saying that the woman is someone who can't cope with losses and that appears to be fueling her misplaced anger.   I also think she has really poor judgment.

Most of the posts here in MoFT judge someone, in some way. The "judgement" that this woman is crazy because she's the last single protester of a long-passed (somewhat) situation is reasonable to a lot of people. I didn't take Pod's post as a dig at people who have been divorced, or been fired, only an explanation of this particular woman's craziness.

Pod is somewhat quick though, IMO, to deem someone a racist, but no one is perfect (except Jesus ).

resedit wrote:

The fact that she was fired and divorced did not even need to be discussed.

That might have been true if all of our posts were televised on national TV during prime-time, but that is not the case. There is no real need for political correctness here (politeness and respect though are good to have for each other).

She was there standing for what she believed was right, Podesta specifically looked for something by which to pass judgement on her by.

And he (she?) found something. Chances are if this woman were otherwise normal, she wouldn't be protesting by herself, so long after-the-fact.

She was out there exercising her first amendment rights - and her personal life gets dug up as a result. That is total BS.

Haha... Where were you during the Clinton years? Or when Michael's business was being dug up? For the record, i'm not against digging up people's personal lives if it can shed some light on a serious situation.