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Health Minister Humberto Costa said the price of the Kaletra drug was so high it represented a risk to public health.

Yep. While this will piss off the materialist right wingers for whom profit is the overarching moral value this is the right thing to do.

Pariah wrote:

Health Minister Humberto Costa said the price of the Kaletra drug was so high it represented a risk to public health.

Yep. While this will piss off the materialist right wingers for whom profit is the overarching moral value this is the right thing to do.

Do you have any idea how much it cost to make it in the first place?

And guess how much of it's costs were advertising, and how much of the development costs came from grant funded state university labs?

Gr@sshopper wrote:

And guess how much of it's costs were advertising, and how much of the development costs came from grant funded state university labs?

That may offset some of the costs, but you also have to take into account the costs of developing drugs that dont bear fruit. Acording to tufts inst it costs about $800 million to develop a new drug, thats a lot of money considering many dont work out.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Gr@sshopper wrote:

And guess how much of it's costs were advertising, and how much of the development costs came from grant funded state university labs?

That may offset some of the costs, but you also have to take into account the costs of developing drugs that dont bear fruit. Acording to tufts inst it costs about $800 million to develop a new drug, thats a lot of money considering many dont work out.

Golly, how do they stay in business?

It must be a neocon conspiracy.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Golly, how do they stay in business?

It must be a neocon conspiracy.

..... aaaaand thus skyler surrenders.

Whatever happened to minithink 30, sty |-85|?

Steyr AUG wrote:

Gr@sshopper wrote:

And guess how much of it's costs were advertising, and how much of the development costs came from grant funded state university labs?

That may offset some of the costs, but you also have to take into account the costs of developing drugs that dont bear fruit. Acording to tufts inst it costs about $800 million to develop a new drug, thats a lot of money considering many dont work out.

Yep. The state schools use NSF money, find a new molecule, find it won't work for a drug

If people were starving no one would object (well normal people anyways) to tons of free food being flown in.
For some reason we see health care as a luxury even tho it is just as much a life or death matter.

Farmerkev wrote:

Pariah wrote:

If people were starving no one would object (well normal people anyways) to tons of free food being flown in.
For some reason we see health care as a luxury even tho it is just as much a life or death matter.

False comparison.
Nobody comes out to my farm and takes my grain and then gives it to someone else. It's paid for first.
If I want to give someone my property, that's up to me.

Nobody is taking any Pharmaceutical companies stock of drugs.
They are going to produce them by infringing on their patent.

Only a moron cannot distinguish between infringement of IP and the actual stealing of goods.
If a sovereign nation determines that to avert a national health crisis certain measures are necessary then not only is it their right, it is their obligation to do what is best for their people. Think of it as eminent domain applied to patents.

Farmerkev wrote:

Pariah wrote:

If people were starving no one would object (well normal people anyways) to tons of free food being flown in.
For some reason we see health care as a luxury even tho it is just as much a life or death matter.

False comparison.
Nobody comes out to my farm and takes my grain and then gives it to someone else. It's paid for first.
If I want to give someone my property, that's up to me.

Yeah, but if you charged 10k a bushel, refused to negotiate a lower price with people who were poor and starving, and a very, very large percentage of the cost of growing was paid for by the gubmnt, I don't particularly have an issue with stealing from you.

Steyr AUG wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Health Minister Humberto Costa said the price of the Kaletra drug was so high it represented a risk to public health.

Yep. While this will piss off the materialist right wingers for whom profit is the overarching moral value this is the right thing to do.

Do you have any idea how much it cost to make it in the first place?

While I sympathize with research costs, how much is a human life that dies because they can not afford the drug worth?

There are times when the most moral thing to do is for government to force compromise - sure, the researchers should be paid and even allowed to profit, but not at the cost of keeping the drug to only certain classes of people (the wealthy).

Government is responsible imho for subsidizing to some extent, but high prices then take advantage of government subsidy. That seems to be why Brasil has made the ultimatum.

Steyr AUG wrote:

resedit wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Do you have any idea how much it cost to make it in the first place?

While I sympathize with research costs, how much is a human life that dies because they can not afford the drug worth?

There are times when the most moral thing to do is for government to force compromise - sure, the researchers should be paid and even allowed to profit, but not at the cost of keeping the drug to only certain classes of people (the wealthy).

Government is responsible imho for subsidizing to some extent, but high prices then take advantage of government subsidy. That seems to be why Brasil has made the ultimatum.

If it wasnt for the expectation of profit, far less people would be motivated to create drugs.

There's profit - and there's raping the market.
In the US - we have passed good laws to help prevent the latter, such as anti-trust laws that limit what a monopoly can do.

This seems to me like this scenario isn't anti-trust, but is same spirit as anti-trust - using their exclusive patent to rape the market.