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Pariah wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Pariah wrote:

If people were starving no one would object (well normal people anyways) to tons of free food being flown in.
For some reason we see health care as a luxury even tho it is just as much a life or death matter.

False comparison.
Nobody comes out to my farm and takes my grain and then gives it to someone else. It's paid for first.
If I want to give someone my property, that's up to me.

Nobody is taking any Pharmaceutical companies stock of drugs.
They are going to produce them by infringing on their patent.

Only a moron cannot distinguish between infringement of IP and the actual stealing of goods.
If a sovereign nation determines that to avert a national health crisis certain measures are necessary then not only is it their right, it is their obligation to do what is best for their people. Think of it as eminent domain applied to patents.

I think you charge too much for people to look at your racy pictures.
To remedy this I have sucked down your entire site and am allowing people access for 10 cents.
Guys in my country just can't get it up without help so it is a health issue.
For the greater good and all, I'm sure you'll agree.

bedstuy wrote:

I think some folks overlook the extreme poverty in Brazil and have no clue what a year's cost of Kaletra is relative to even the median income there.  While I don't have exact numbers at hand I'm sure it would be rather illuminating.

Do they sell it there at the same price as here?

jkahless wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Who says they are raping the market? And just because people feel its too expensive doesnt make it raping the market.

1) The Brazilian government.

2) You're right.  It's the fact that it's too expensive and it has the capacity to save thousands of human lives that means it's raping the market.

Thanks for the non answer. I would also like to thank the Brazilian goverment for most likely making the company raise the prices for all their other drugs to make up for this one. Yay.

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I think some folks overlook the extreme poverty in Brazil and have no clue what a year's cost of Kaletra is relative to even the median income there.  While I don't have exact numbers at hand I'm sure it would be rather illuminating.

Do they sell it there at the same price as here?

Can you read?

I assumed that meant you didn't know the median income in Brazil.
http://cia.gov/cia/publications/factboo … .html#Econ

Steyr AUG wrote:

jkahless wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Who says they are raping the market? And just because people feel its too expensive doesnt make it raping the market.

1) The Brazilian government.

2) You're right.  It's the fact that it's too expensive and it has the capacity to save thousands of human lives that means it's raping the market.

Thanks for the non answer. I would also like to thank the Brazilian goverment for most likely making the company raise the prices for all their other drugs to make up for this one. Yay.

Come on, people! ALL SKYLER WANTS IS A STRAIGHT ANSWER!!

Farmerkev wrote:

I think you charge too much for people to look at your racy pictures.
To remedy this I have sucked down your entire site and am allowing people access for 10 cents.
Guys in my country just can't get it up without help so it is a health issue.
For the greater good and all, I'm sure you'll agree.

Kev, you're too smart to miss the flaws in that comparison.

1) Racy pictures are available cheap/free from thousands of sources - the aids drug is not.
2) Racy pictures are not life-saving - the aids drug potentially is.
3) Pariah's racy pictures are his work, which he produced, you're stealing them and selling them - Brazil's AIDS drug, chemically similar to the first company's drug, is produced in another factory using materials that were not taken from the other company. 

Your scenerio could be modified to be more representative.  First, you'd have to hire a girl (hell, even the same girl) and have her look at Pariah's pictures  Then dress her in similar clothes, stand her in the same pose. Then you have to take some photos from a similar angle, develop your film and then sell them as your own for less.

You've taken nothing from Pariah, you're just mooching off his originality.


I agree - we rail against other companies stealing intellectual property all the time.  "It's an iPod Mini with more suck added! They stole the design, just wait until Apple sues!"  Apple doesn't charge $1000 per iPod Mini, there are other reasonably priced alternatives on the market, and iPod Minis don't save lives.

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Can you read?

I assumed that meant you didn't know the median income in Brazil.
http://cia.gov/cia/publications/factboo … .html#Econ

No wonder they can't afford Kaletra because their yearly GDP per capita equals a year's supply.

IF it is sold at the same price. That is by no means assured. There is history of companies being forced to sell to them at bargain prices because of their laws or lack thereof.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

How's this for a hypothesis: the drug company in question will suffer not at all.

Why? Because, due to the high cost of the drug, people in Brazil couldn't afford it anyway. Therefore, no loss of market, which in any event is mainly aimed at North America and Europe.

So the generic drug is only going to be availible in brazil eh? Its never going to make its way to other markets? Dont think so pal.

Farmerkev wrote:

Oatie, stealing is stealing regardless.
I should mention I have an axe against monsanto and Brazilian laws though.

No, stealing is stealing.
Infringing is infringing.

zdecker wrote:

By all means though, please continue with your villifying pharma companies as your corporate scapegoats.

By all means, pimp the company's bottom line while people die because they're unable to afford the drugs that could save them.

Before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth, please show me any post in this thread (before this one, where I responded to you in kind) where I villified your company.  Show me an instance in this thread where I said anything about the practices of your company or indeed any "pharma company."  Then we'll talk about putting words in people's mouths.

I'm talking about an action being taken by the Brazillian government to save the lives of its citizens, multibillion dollar corporations (which will lose nothing anyway because the people who need their products most can't possibly afford it) be damned. I say again, "Go Brazil!"  They're doing the Right Thing.

Farmerkev wrote:

oatmeal wrote:

I'm talking about an action being taken by the Brazillian government to save the lives of its citizens, multibillion dollar corporations (which will lose nothing anyway because the people who need their products most can't possibly afford it) be damned. I say again, "Go Brazil!"  They're doing the Right Thing.

The ends justify the means then. Gotcha.

Everything is black and white.  Gotcha. 

I can throw out thoughtless quips as easily as you can. Here's another one.  What would Jesus do? 

I must have missed "Blessed are the board members, for they shall reap the profits whilst the lepers die of treatable disease."