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bedstuy wrote:

The Iranian courts worked wonders for that murdered and tortured Canadian photographer a while back.

Those barbaric A-rabs!.....Why I oughta....

XYZ wrote:

Yes, public executions are barbaric. Executing gays on religious grounds is barbaric.

And gang-raping little kids at knife point isn't? If you guys are so upset about the treatment of gays in Iran, I'd suggest you find some other gay victims to rally a cause around. I don't know who it is you are trying to fool - except yourselves. It's just disgusting.

Last edited by PantherAmI (2005-07-24 11:08 pm)

bratboy wrote:

PantherAmI wrote:

XYZ wrote:

Yes, public executions are barbaric. Executing gays on religious grounds is barbaric.

And gang-raping little kids at knife point isn't? If you guys are so upset about the treatment of gays in Iran, I'd suggest you find some other gay victims to rally a cause around. I don't know who it is you are trying to fool - accept yourselves. It's just disgusting.

Nobody is defending rape, you nitwit!

It is nothing new to see individuals executed for homosexuality.

I don't know who it is you are trying to fool - accept yourselves. It's just disgusting.

Accept ourselves?

Ooookay. I'm a hebephile.

Glad we've got that out of the way.

...and what are we trying to "fool" ourselves about?

PantherAmI wrote:

Fixed it.

Goddammit, now I have to rewrite all this material that I had prepared to rip you apart.

PantherAmI wrote:

XYZ wrote:

Is it fact that these men committed that crime, or were they executed for being gay and the rape was invented in order to justify the killings?

In the eyes of the Iranian Supreme court it is a fact. I'm sure those two had a good defense in light of the serious charges and possible sentence. I'm inclined to believe they did it, but who really knows? What about the victim? Why are you so inclined to believe he's a liar? They admitted to doing it.

Muslim society doesn't tolerate homosexuality, consequently gays don't like Muslim society. I'm not taking sides in this, but it seems to me that the gay view-point in this thread is a little mis-guided.

The "gay view-point"? And what exactly is *that* according to you?

Global anger grows over teen executions in Iran

Gay.com U.K. and the PlanetOut Network
published Monday, July 25, 2005

International human rights organizations are calling for action to be taken against Iran after officials publicly executed two gay teenagers last week.

The two boys, who were identified only by their initials, were executed for having sex with each other. Homosexuality is illegal under the Sharia law, which allows execution of children as young as 9 years of age. The teens were also charged with raping a 13-year-old boy, although the majority of news services say this charge has been trumped up by the Iranian state in a bid to avoid international criticism. Activists believe the boys gave their "confession" after weeks of torture. They were detained and subjected to beatings by local police for up to two weeks before their death.

Now, international groups are calling for stronger action to be taken against Iran. In Tehran Saturday, children's rights activist Shirin Ebadi said that the hangings violated the terms of the International Convention on the Rights of the Child. Ebadi, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2003, told the Associated Press that her campaign to outlaw the execution of minors had "fallen on deaf ears," but vowed that her Center for the Protection of Human Rights would step up the fight.

In the United States, the Human Rights Campaign is calling for Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to denounce the executions. "As we have seen in recent weeks, the barbarous punishments for sexual acts in these countries run contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights," the HRC stated in a letter to Rice. "For that reason, these acts must be condemned."

In the United Kingdom, Peter Tatchell of the London-based LGBT rights group OutRage! criticized the Labour party for trying to forge closer ties with the government of Iran. "Britain's Labour government is pursuing friendly relations with this murderous regime, including aid and trade," Tatchell said. "We urge the international community to treat Iran as a pariah state, break off diplomatic relations, impose trade sanctions and give practical support to the democratic and left opposition inside Iran." Tatchell also said the country had become a "prison," with the ultraconservative state blocking any movement toward a more liberal, democratic society.

Elsewhere, activists are calling for their governments to publicly criticize the Iranian-sanctioned executions. In Sweden, the Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights (RFSL) has called on the government to update its asylum policy so that lesbian and gay people are not deported back to Iran. "I think the Swedish government is extremely cynical when it sends gays and lesbians back to Iran," Soren Andersson told the AFP news agency. "They keep looking for excuses to send them back there, but it is dangerous for homosexuals in Iran," he added.

However, Iran is standing firm on its decision to kill the two young men. Last week, ultraconservative deputy Ali Asgari stated that the punishment "served them right."

   

Last edited by XYZ (2005-07-27 3:14 pm)

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there's really no need for all of this