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#1 2005-07-27 6:54 pm

Pariah
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From: Belly Of The Beast, Oklahoma!
Registered: 2001-05-24
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Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Under Jag, Panther and now Tiger on both my old G3/266 and my newer G4/400(ya I


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#2 2005-07-27 6:58 pm

sosumi
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

I'm still trying to imagine a user who needs to throw away thousands and thousands of files on a regular basis.

I've never run into such hangs.  I suspect it's just a sign of age, and a G4/400 was not much more powerful than a nearly clocked G3, and my parents' old Blue and White G3 could handle OS X on a day to day basis, but certainly wasn't a champ at it.

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#3 2005-07-27 7:06 pm

Ceemkm
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Ya I would say empty your trash more often

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#4 2005-07-27 7:07 pm

Pariah
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

I have broadband and I an a pretty lavish usenet downloader so me deleteing 10,000 to 20,000 files, 2 or 3 gig, is an almost daily thing.
The old Finder never had a problem with that.


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#5 2005-07-27 7:17 pm

Twisted Guy
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

The old Finder could also completely hog every ounce of system resources and didn't even have to think about sharing.


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#6 2005-07-27 7:25 pm

Pariah
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Twisted Guy wrote:

The old Finder could also completely hog every ounce of system resources and didn't even have to think about sharing.

Ya, I need to get more savy about renicing stuff. It bugs the smurf out of me when I have a foreground process going and it only gets 50% cpu power.
I regularly am decoding very large RARs and under default settings MacUnRar will only use 50%.
Thats not a feature, its a flaw.
When I have a big job to do I want the process in question to hog every resource it can get.

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"and it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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#7 2005-07-27 7:35 pm

sosumi
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

It was also written when a G4/400 was the top of the heap.

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#8 2005-07-27 8:11 pm

Thrica
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

I'll go on cleanout sprees from time to time, and other than taking forever, my G3/500 has never had any problems deleting tens of thousands of files at a time. shrug

Maybe it's the 2 or 3 gigs you're deleting; I can't recall ever deleting more than a gig at a time.

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#9 2005-07-27 9:59 pm

after-life
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Why won't Apple fix the Finder? *sigh*

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

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#10 2005-07-27 10:43 pm

Pariah
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Posts: 18402

Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

after-life wrote:

Why won't Apple fix the Finder? *sigh*

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

Um....
If I wanted to deal with crap like the terminal I would have been happy with DOS.


"and it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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#11 2005-07-27 11:34 pm

Robert B.
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

are you secure emptying? That takes longer.

Never had it hang with just the regular empty.


"Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb."

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#12 2005-07-28 1:35 am

Jill
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

sosumi wrote:

I'm still trying to imagine a user who needs to throw away thousands and thousands of files on a regular basis.

someone who develops software.

Ceemkm wrote:

Ya I would say empty your trash more often

... from someone who only uses a computer at home....

after-life wrote:

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

noob.

Robert B. wrote:

are you secure emptying? That takes longer.

noob.


seriously, what the eff.  i identify with this guy.

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#13 2005-07-28 4:07 am

smilr
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From: The Dalles OR, U. S. of Apple
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Pariah wrote:

after-life wrote:

Why won't Apple fix the Finder? *sigh*

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

Um....
If I wanted to deal with crap like the terminal I would have been happy with DOS.

Sucks - though there may be a way to simplify this, one could potentially embed the above call in an applescript which then could be saved as a compiled scriptlet somewhere. Then double clicking its icon and giving your admin name/password as requiested would run the command all without digging around in the terminal personally.

It sucks that on your machine you would need it, but at least we are given the flexibility to implement such workarounds until such time as Apple fixes the flaw. Though I wonder if one of your memory sticks, one that doesn't get hit much by processes with smaller memory footprints than deleting gigs of stuff, is going bad? Does anything else hang your machine regularly?


There is some solace in knowing that some things just can't be attained by throwing piles of money at them in the name of corporate greed. --CaptKevMan

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#14 2005-07-28 4:20 am

smilr
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

I couldn't resist actually going and making said script, and it was much simpler to get it to ask for a password than I remembered it to be.

Code:

do shell script "rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" with administrator privileges

Paste this line into Script Editor - then save as an application. Name it something like KillTrash.

Now you have an icon on your desktop you can double click, enter a password, and have rm do the dirty work of emptying the trash, rather than the finder.


There is some solace in knowing that some things just can't be attained by throwing piles of money at them in the name of corporate greed. --CaptKevMan

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#15 2005-07-28 10:55 am

MattElmore
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From: Tuscaloosa, AL
Registered: 2003-02-28
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Pariah wrote:

after-life wrote:

Why won't Apple fix the Finder? *sigh*

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

Um....
If I wanted to deal with crap like the terminal I would have been happy with DOS.

That's a pretty silly attitude. Why ignore the usefulness of a powerful tool?

smilr already demonstrated how to automate it.

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#16 2005-07-28 11:18 am

Light Speed
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

My old Dual 500 running 10.3.9 doesn't hang on emptying 10-20,000 items in the trash. Are these items being trashed from the same partition as your OS or a different partition or disk? Could be a permissions issue.

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#17 2005-07-28 11:29 am

Ceemkm
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From: N.Y.C.
Registered: 2000-07-25
Posts: 1926
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Jill wrote:

sosumi wrote:

I'm still trying to imagine a user who needs to throw away thousands and thousands of files on a regular basis.

someone who develops software.

Ceemkm wrote:

Ya I would say empty your trash more often

... from someone who only uses a computer at home....

after-life wrote:

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

noob.

Robert B. wrote:

are you secure emptying? That takes longer.

noob.


seriously, what the eff.  i identify with this guy.

More dumb comments from somebody assuming stuff and doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Dumb quotes like

Jill wrote:

the best part?  more black people clogging the tcp network!!!@!334ref

or

Jill wrote:

honkey
ngger
wap
jew
dego

who the smurf cares?

if you consider any of these name discriminatory or racist, then you are the aforementioned.

the point is, WHATEVER, they are the ones who command most market share right now.  its the way it is.  aceept it, honkey, or whatever you are.  prolly white, based on your remarks.

in  this thread are my basis for saying STFU Jill! You assume too much and know too little!http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/idiot.gif

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#18 2005-07-28 11:54 am

Robert B.
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Jill wrote:

sosumi wrote:

I'm still trying to imagine a user who needs to throw away thousands and thousands of files on a regular basis.

someone who develops software.

Ceemkm wrote:

Ya I would say empty your trash more often

... from someone who only uses a computer at home....

after-life wrote:

You should probably just go into the terminal and enter "sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" and see if that does the trick.

noob.

Robert B. wrote:

are you secure emptying? That takes longer.

noob.


seriously, what the eff.  i identify with this guy.

smurf off, smartass.


"Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb."

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#19 2005-07-28 2:14 pm

Jill
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Robert B. wrote:

smurf off, smartass.

i sit on a lot of books

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#20 2005-07-28 3:28 pm

sparkn
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From: South of Canada
Registered: 2000-03-01
Posts: 3058

Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Same problem here, only it hapens when searching with the Finder.  Too many hits and it crashes.  It used to be just a few thousand, so I know Apple did something.  But, there still is a limit somewhere above 10,000 where it still hangs.

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#21 2005-07-28 4:48 pm

Blandford Fly
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

all this fussin' and fighting' is screwing with my finder.

So...you guys regularly trash all your p0rn?   The only way I could trash 10,000 files is to delete my entire system, which I did once...the Finder sure hung that night :blush:


MacBook 2Ghz, 4GB RAM, OS X 10.6.1
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#22 2005-07-28 5:37 pm

Light Speed
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Posts: 3694

Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Blandford Fly wrote:

all this fussin' and fighting' is screwing with my finder.

So...you guys regularly trash all your p0rn?   The only way I could trash 10,000 files is to delete my entire system, which I did once...the Finder sure hung that night :blush:

I have about 70,000 files outside the OS partition and 127,000 on the OS partition and that's just after a cleaned cache.

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#23 2005-07-28 6:45 pm

smilr
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Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

Light Speed wrote:

Blandford Fly wrote:

all this fussin' and fighting' is screwing with my finder.

So...you guys regularly trash all your p0rn?   The only way I could trash 10,000 files is to delete my entire system, which I did once...the Finder sure hung that night :blush:

I have about 70,000 files outside the OS partition and 127,000 on the OS partition and that's just after a cleaned cache.

Thats my one gripe about os X's Unix underpinnings as compared to os 9 - the file system bloat incurred by the OS itself.


There is some solace in knowing that some things just can't be attained by throwing piles of money at them in the name of corporate greed. --CaptKevMan

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#24 2005-07-28 9:18 pm

Light Speed
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Registered: 2002-08-17
Posts: 3694

Re: Whats the problem with emptieing the trash?

smilr wrote:

Light Speed wrote:

Blandford Fly wrote:

all this fussin' and fighting' is screwing with my finder.

So...you guys regularly trash all your p0rn?   The only way I could trash 10,000 files is to delete my entire system, which I did once...the Finder sure hung that night :blush:

I have about 70,000 files outside the OS partition and 127,000 on the OS partition and that's just after a cleaned cache.

Thats my one gripe about os X's Unix underpinnings as compared to os 9 - the file system bloat incurred by the OS itself.

The only time I don't like it is when i do a new first backup. The rest of the time I couldn't care less.

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