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#51 2005-08-06 7:16 pm

TheConfuzed1
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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

thugmoni wrote:

I remember hearing Apple gets 23 cents of the 99 cents. So now

500,000,000 songs (that is 500 million for people not good with math)

x

$.23

=

$115,000,000 dollars (That is one hundred fifteen million dollars for those not good with math)

That is operating revenue, not profit (there is difference)

Carry on.

Actually, no.  People have downloaded 500,000,000 songs, but Apple has not sold that many.  Many of those downloads were free.


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#52 2005-08-06 9:39 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

thugmoni wrote:

I remember hearing Apple gets 23 cents of the 99 cents. So now

500,000,000 songs (that is 500 million for people not good with math)

x

$.23

=

$115,000,000 dollars (That is one hundred fifteen million dollars for those not good with math)

That is operating revenue, not profit (there is difference)

Carry on.

Actually, no.  People have downloaded 500,000,000 songs, but Apple has not sold that many.  Many of those downloads were free.

I assume you mean the Pepsi thing right?  As I remember, at least the first pepsi promotion was just that, a Pepsi promotion.  Pepsi actually paid for the songs.  Though I never did find out if they paid for just the ones redeemed or the paid for all up front.  I don't know about the second one though.  That was in a article  I read at either wired or cnn. I won't vouch for it being 100% accurate.

What ever the case, even though the songs were given away, someone paid for them, Apple or Pepsi or both.


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#53 2005-08-06 9:47 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

Scott wrote:

What ever the case, even though the songs were given away, someone paid for them, Apple or Pepsi or both.

If Apple pays for them, I don't think they count as profit. wink

Also, Apple has given away quite a few for contests (the last one the grandprize guy got some insane gift card).


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#54 2005-08-07 12:47 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

Czachorski wrote:

Ok, then 20 years.  The point is still the same.  Or are you saying that you don't think that media-less based distribution of content will make media obsolete, or that Apple won't be in a position to capitalize on it any longer when it actually happens, or both?

To say that there is not big money to be made in it denies the very big-business of it that the record companies have right now.  Why wouldn't there be big money to be made in it in the future?

I wouldn't even begin to speculate twenty years into the future.  That's a century in tech years.  I doubt many people twenty years ago would have envisioned what we have today.

It is entirely possible that internet distribution will become dominant.  But there will likely be a market, however small, for physical media for some time.  As for Apple, they are going to have to work very hard to maintain their position in the marketplace.


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#55 2005-08-07 5:05 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

robco wrote:

I wouldn't even begin to speculate twenty years into the future.  That's a century in tech years.  I doubt many people twenty years ago would have envisioned what we have today.

confused  First you are saying that those big type of changes will not happen in 10 years, then you are saying that 20 is a century in tech years, and you can't speculate, because things will change so much.  Weird.  Here is one for you:  At some point in the future, things will not be as they are today.  Can I say that?

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robco wrote:

It is entirely possible that internet distribution will become dominant.  But there will likely be a market, however small, for physical media for some time.

That's all I was saying, and I totally agree.


robco wrote:

As for Apple, they are going to have to work very hard to maintain their position in the marketplace.

Absolutely.  But if they can, and internet distribution becomes dominant, as it inevitably will, they could be in a very, very good position in the future.  Or they could blow it.  Of course, both are always true.  I was just speculating about the potential of this market, and that Apple has themselves in a nice position out of the gate.  I think you are simply pointing out that we are in the first 1/8th mile of a 1 1/2 mile race, and some of the big horses havn't kicked it in yet.  I understand that.  What I though you were saying is that there wasn't a horse race at all.  I understand your point now, I think.


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#56 2005-08-07 5:48 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

Scott wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

thugmoni wrote:

I remember hearing Apple gets 23 cents of the 99 cents. So now

500,000,000 songs (that is 500 million for people not good with math)

x

$.23

=

$115,000,000 dollars (That is one hundred fifteen million dollars for those not good with math)

That is operating revenue, not profit (there is difference)

Carry on.

Actually, no.  People have downloaded 500,000,000 songs, but Apple has not sold that many.  Many of those downloads were free.

I assume you mean the Pepsi thing right?  As I remember, at least the first pepsi promotion was just that, a Pepsi promotion.  Pepsi actually paid for the songs.  Though I never did find out if they paid for just the ones redeemed or the paid for all up front.  I don't know about the second one though.  That was in a article  I read at either wired or cnn. I won't vouch for it being 100% accurate.

What ever the case, even though the songs were given away, someone paid for them, Apple or Pepsi or both.

The $115 million figure for operating revenue is probably off due to the free downloads though. Those songs which Apple pays for do not directly generate revenue and actually are part of the operating expenses reducing the net profit.
Songs bought by Pepsi or 7-11 may actually produce altered revenue and net profits as well. We don't know what sort of deal those companies were able to broker for themselves and if they did indeed purchase every song being offered in their promotion (even at a reduced cost) Apple theoretically stood to make more off those songs that weren't given away in those promotions.

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#57 2005-08-07 7:40 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

Even without special promotions, or contests, there have still been a number of songs away as free downloads.


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#58 2005-08-07 8:03 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

Those are the ones Apple sponsors (operating expense).

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#59 2005-08-07 9:04 pm

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Re: Napster is Losing, again.

fingerjello wrote:

Kurto2021 wrote:

I will probably subscribe to Napster in a few months.  The new XM radio with Napster built in seems pretty damn sweet.  You listen to the radio ... a song comes on you like...you book mark it....when you get home later you hook the radio up to the dock...it downloads the music to your local music collection and synchs it with the XM unit.

Wow, I didn't know about this.  I am definitely interested in a service like this, especially since sat radio claims to never play the same song twice in X amount of time.

Wow I can't actually tell if this is sarcasm or you actually like it....and they do play the same songs in X amount of time.  On XM channel 20 is called 20 on 20.  They play the 20 most requested songs...once they reach number 1 they start back at 20.  In  theory they could go an entire day playing only 20 songs...although I think the 20 top voted songs is the number of votes the song receives in a certain time frame (like the last hour) so it is never the same.


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