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Sputnickey · 2007-09-19 3:00 pm

Daniel wrote:
Sputnickey wrote:
stuff
I will never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people who are quite content with, or purposely ignorant of, this paramilitary invasion of our country from within.

I'm not saying to not defend yourself, just that physically doing so during an arrest might not be the right time. Rather try to explain the whole situation when the cops are going to listen (superiors, etc.). Of course there are exceptions to this but I'm speaking in general terms.

user · 2007-09-19 3:05 pm

sturner wrote:
Damn, now I lost count. Someone pass me the bucket with the machinegun links.

Damn, sturner! How'd you get to be the machine-gunner? Shooting rats in the hayloft?

sturner · 2007-09-19 3:21 pm

I can aim, fire, hit the target, and clear a jam. Multi-talented.

bratboy · 2007-09-19 3:26 pm

KrowMagnum wrote:
Some people have lives outside of silly little forums.

You should try it once.........

Oh look, one person on the internet telling another person on the internet to get a life. How unexpected.

lol

sturner · 2007-09-19 3:40 pm

I think we should tell the students at Univ of Florida to get a life.

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-19 3:42 pm

Daniel wrote:
Sputnickey wrote:
Even if you believe they're in the wrong, resisting the police is never a good idea. There are tons of videos of alleged "police brutality" on the internet (often involved kids skateboarding) and I'd say the vast majority of the situations could have been resolved peacefully if the person being arrested had simply cooperated.
I will never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people who are quite content with, or purposely ignorant of, this paramilitary invasion of our country from within.

Just plain sheep......

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-19 3:43 pm

bratboy wrote:
KrowMagnum wrote:
Some people have lives outside of silly little forums.

You should try it once.........
Oh look, one person on the internet telling another person on the internet to get a life. How unexpected.

No, I'm telling the one with 24,500+ posts to get a life.....

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-19 3:44 pm

sturner wrote:
I think we should tell the students at Univ of Florida to get a life.

That's an understatement if this kid is indicative of the student body.

bratboy · 2007-09-19 4:17 pm

KrowMagnum wrote:
No, I'm telling the one with 24,500+ posts to get a life.....

whaa

Dan is right, the elderly truly are the most cruel.

bratboy · 2007-09-19 4:27 pm

Daniel wrote:
I will never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people who are quite content with, or purposely ignorant of, this paramilitary invasion of our country from within.

"Invasion?" Really? By most accounts, Americans have more recognized rights in relation to police powers than were possessed many years ago. There was a time when the Bill of Rights didn't apply to state and local police forces at all.

That's not to say we shouldn't remain vigilant...

bedstuy · 2007-09-19 5:06 pm

via Mike Savage:

kamizuno · 2007-09-20 3:58 am

What I find most disturbing about this is that some of the comments I see floating around the internet says the student was lucky to be tasered as opposed to getting a 45 in the chest, this is just IMO but if a video of police shooting an unarmed student who was already pinned down were to be put on the internet, there would probably be Rodney King style rioting going on sometime in the future hmm

user · 2007-09-20 8:29 am

sturner wrote:
I can aim, fire, hit the target, and clear a jam. Multi-talented.

I would have pegged you for Call Of Duty 2 player. That was a quote (sorta) from a dialog line in the game.

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-20 8:42 am

bratboy wrote:
There was a time when the Bill of Rights didn't apply to state and local police forces at all.

When exactly did the Bill of Rights not apply to all citizens of the US ?

resedit · 2007-09-20 8:46 am

I wonder what the response here would have been had it happened at a republican speaking engagement.

Pithecanthropus · 2007-09-20 9:10 am

resedit wrote:
I wonder what the response here would have been had it happened at a republican speaking engagement.

The guy would have never gotten in the room.

sturner · 2007-09-20 9:53 am

user wrote:
sturner wrote:
I can aim, fire, hit the target, and clear a jam. Multi-talented.
I would have pegged you for Call Of Duty 2 player. That was a quote (sorta) from a dialog line in the game.

Naw, Call of Duty is too much like an arcade game.

Americas Army or Red Orchestra is better. Or a flight simulator.

Chickenhawk · 2007-09-20 9:54 am

KrowMagnum wrote:
bratboy wrote:
There was a time when the Bill of Rights didn't apply to state and local police forces at all.
When exactly did the Bill of Rights not apply to all citizens of the US ?

You're not serious... are you? For a long while, the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal gov't.

user · 2007-09-20 10:02 am

sturner wrote:
user wrote:
sturner wrote:
I can aim, fire, hit the target, and clear a jam. Multi-talented.
I would have pegged you for Call Of Duty 2 player. That was a quote (sorta) from a dialog line in the game.
Naw, Call of Duty is too much like an arcade game.

Americas Army or Red Orchestra is better. Or a flight simulator.

I don't care for multiplayer....it's just me against the dumb old machine.

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-20 10:18 am

Chickenhawk wrote:
KrowMagnum wrote:
bratboy wrote:
There was a time when the Bill of Rights didn't apply to state and local police forces at all.
When exactly did the Bill of Rights not apply to all citizens of the US ?
You're not serious... are you? For a long while, the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal gov't.

The Bill of Rights limits the power of government, not protects them. And who would the limit of government be protecting ? Citizens.

Chickenhawk · 2007-09-20 10:24 am

KrowMagnum wrote:
Chickenhawk wrote:
KrowMagnum wrote:
When exactly did the Bill of Rights not apply to all citizens of the US ?
You're not serious... are you? For a long while, the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal gov't.
The Bill of Rights limits the power of government, not protects them. And who would the limit of government be protecting ? Citizens.

roll I meant that the federal government was the only government bound by the bill of rights for a long period after the signing of the bill of rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … _to_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporat … _Rights%29
This is a basic thing that anybody who knows anything about civics should know.

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Sputnickey · 2007-09-20 12:13 pm

kamizuno wrote:
What I find most disturbing about this is that some of the comments I see floating around the internet says the student was lucky to be tasered as opposed to getting a 45 in the chest, this is just IMO but if a video of police shooting an unarmed student who was already pinned down were to be put on the internet, there would probably be Rodney King style rioting going on sometime in the future

A lot of the other forums I frequent (which admittedly have a much lower level a maturity...like 20 stories lower) had these same sentiments of "oh they shoulda shot him in the head blah blah blah." Its another case of this internet anonymity thing. I think a lot of those people, were you to have a face to face conversation with them, would never say that in real life (course some still would roll ), but on the internet where they're only a user name they can spout all the nonsense they like without fear of having to answer for it

bratboy · 2007-09-20 12:31 pm

KrowMagnum wrote:
bratboy wrote:
There was a time when the Bill of Rights didn't apply to state and local police forces at all.
When exactly did the Bill of Rights not apply to all citizens of the US ?

As has been pointed out to you, at one time the Bill of Rights only limited the actions of the federal government.

Incorporation.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights is the legal doctrine by which portions of the U.S. Bill of Rights are applied to the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Most of those portions of the Bill of Rights were incorporated by a series of United States Supreme Court decisions in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s.

Though the Bill of Rights was originally written to limit only the power of the federal government, the Supreme Court has ruled that most of its guarantees protect citizens against state governments.

*edit*

D'oh, same link as what chickenhawk already posted.

blush

KrowMagnum · 2007-09-20 12:45 pm

Regardless of whether or not the states agreed with the power of the bill it was still written to protect the people. The supreme court rulings were because the states were being unconstitutional.

The states were wrong.... so you are arguing that they were right ?

Chickenhawk · 2007-09-20 12:48 pm

KrowMagnum wrote:
Regardless of whether or not the states agreed with the power of the bill it was still written to protect the people. The supreme court rulings were because the states were being unconstitutional.

The states were wrong.... so you are arguing that they were right ?

....
The interpretation of the bill changed over time. If you want to take an absolutist stance, then I can just start to ignore you.

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