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after-life wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

"Social engineering?" 

Why laugh, that is exactly what it is.

Yep, insidious social engineering, like making sure seniors don't have to go hungry, and can get decent medical care.

Those things didn't happen on their own, after all, but through big, unprecedented government programs.

It's obvious that this country needs far more of that type of social engineering.

That's your opinion.

Don't you know, you can't just disagree with a policy, you have to connect it with an evil philosophy.

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

"Social engineering?" 

Why laugh, that is exactly what it is.

And farm subsudies and tariffs belong in which category ?

JakeTheTall wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

"Social engineering?" 

Why laugh, that is exactly what it is.

And farm subsudies and tariffs belong in which category ?

Exactly the same.
WTF is the big deal about calling something what it is?

Yellowfin wrote:

jerwin wrote:

There really isn't enough gold.
Figure on 130,000 tonnes of gold, or 4 billion ounces.

at the spot price, that's 3 trillion dollars.

The gross World product is 45 trillion dollars.

Again, as stated above, do bi-metallic as a matter of necessity.  Silver and gold together would be just fine.  Foreign exchange of currency is something like 3 to 6 times the actual amount that's out there.  That is, for every $100 out there it gets converted to yen to pounds sterling to pesos to euros and so on 3 to 6 times just in trade transactions (by combination of goods and financial instruments), so it's not a matter of needing to cover every dime at every second.  Also that tells us that a LOT of stuff is overpriced due to inflation, which is largely caused to due artificial injection of excess funds in a market via credit and speculation, thus why the US Federal Reserve and other central banks directly control inflation by raising interest rates to shrink the money supply.

Why stop at bi-metallic? Seriously, gold is just a kind of stuff in a rock. What makes it so special it can define what value is? Value cannot be contained by any one type of stuff. It will expand according to the way we trade values back and forth into something like the stock exchange, where coffee, like you had for breakfast, or wheat, which is used to make bread, pork bellies, which is used to make bacon, which you might find in a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich. Then there are other commodities like... frozen orange juice... and gold. Though, of course, gold doesn't grow on trees like oranges.

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

And farm subsudies and tariffs belong in which category ?

Exactly the same.
WTF is the big deal about calling something what it is?

I think the problem, once again, is the fact that you tossed out a couple of words and expect everyone to know all the details of what you're talking about. How about giving us some details. What exactly do you mean by social engineering?

Gov't policies designed to encourage certain behaviors or outcomes with the goal of improving (by what definition is what we all fight about) society.
Home mortgage interest being tax deductible would be an example of social engineering. SSI would be another example.
Pretty much everything gov't does in fact.
This shouldn't be a new concept to anyone or for that matter even controversial.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I think the problem, once again, is the fact that you tossed out a couple of words and expect everyone to know all the details of what you're talking about. How about giving us some details. What exactly do you mean by social engineering?

Gov't policies designed to encourage certain behaviors or outcomes with the goal of improving (by what definition is what we all fight about) society.
Home mortgage interest being tax deductible would be an example of social engineering. SSI would be another example.
Pretty much everything gov't does in fact.
This shouldn't be a new concept to anyone or for that matter even controversial.

Pretty much everything government does, eh?

Does that include conservative policies like shrinking government, lowering taxes and cutting regulation?

Yes.
Anything designed to change society would be social engineering.
A smaller gov't would certainly change society.

Yeah, but he's dead. He's with forty virgins or something like that.

I think we just ought to give them recognizable status as military auxiliaries, and bring them under UCMJ and military command.

Oooooo, wouldn't that upset them?

Neither. just call them sorry smurf.

Here's a novel concept, how about only spending what the gov't actually takes from us in taxes? Some states have a balanced budget requirement in their constitution, why can't the feds do it too?