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#1 2007-09-21 12:54 pm
Pit Bull attack
I know i'm opening the debate again, but oh well.
About 3 weeks ago, a woman in Fremont Ca was attacked in her garage by a pit bull. She was holding her 4 month old son when it happened. She put the baby in a trash can to save him and took the full attack. Her arms were shredded. Construction workers at the house across the street saved her.
Meanwhile, a friend of the dogs owner showed up and whisked the dog away before the cops and animal control showed up. When they were asked to produce the dog, they showed up at the police station a day or 2 later with a different dog.
Meanwhile, the same day the woman was attacked, they go to a Dennys a few hours later to get the dog back from the friend, and the dog attacks a bus boy taking out the garbage. He also suffers severe injuries to his arms.
This dog was also quarantined in May for a biting a neighbor. The dog owner complied with the law at the time doing what was required of her.
The dog was destroyed on Wednesday, and they decided to charge the owner with 3 felonies, including obstructing justice for trying to pass off another dog as hers.
I just found out that the owner of the dog is a friend/coworkers daughter. I never associated the name with her daughters name.
I feel sorry for my friend since it's her daughter. I don't feel sorry for her daughter at all.
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#2 2007-09-21 1:16 pm
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That is beyond awful. I wish all the victims the best recovery. That was a fast thinking mom to stick the baby in the trash. 
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#3 2007-09-21 1:20 pm
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Is it possible that these people are somehow connected to dog fighting ?
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#4 2007-09-21 1:22 pm
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Link?
You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it.
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#5 2007-09-21 2:11 pm
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DukeofNuke wrote:
Is it possible that these people are somehow connected to dog fighting ?
Because they owned a vicious dog? Not everyone that owns vicious dogs are involved in dog fighting.
Muck: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews … ck_check=1
What that article doesn't say is that the woman had over 100 staples and stitches and the bites were down to the bone, as well as nerve damage, iirc.
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#6 2007-09-21 2:25 pm
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Bah. Registration.
Nevermind. My mad interweb skillz prevail again.
The only problem I have with this is the classifying of it as a pitbull. My dog looks a lot like a pit, but she has no pit in her. And the media loves a good pit bull attack story.
You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it.
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#7 2007-09-21 2:25 pm
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justine wrote:
DukeofNuke wrote:
Is it possible that these people are somehow connected to dog fighting ?
Because they owned a vicious dog? Not everyone that owns vicious dogs are involved in dog fighting.
Muck: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews … ck_check=1
True, I suppose. However, vicious dogs are a prerequisite to dog fighting, and I can't imagine tolerating a vicious dog when what is wanted is a companion animal.
Also, although individual animals personalities differ, I don't believe that any one breed is inherently vicious. They are trained to be so.
I speculate that the owner may have been into dog fighting because:
We have recently learned what a big underground business dog fighting is, and
This dog had a history of violence, not the kind of thing you want in a pet, and,
They tried to protect it, so it must have been valuable to them.
Vicious, valuable, but not a pet, = dog fighting.
Of course, I might be wrong. 
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#8 2007-09-21 2:39 pm
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DukeofNuke wrote:
justine wrote:
DukeofNuke wrote:
Is it possible that these people are somehow connected to dog fighting ?
Because they owned a vicious dog? Not everyone that owns vicious dogs are involved in dog fighting.
Muck: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews … ck_check=1True, I suppose. However, vicious dogs are a prerequisite to dog fighting, and I can't imagine tolerating a vicious dog when what is wanted is a companion animal.
Also, although individual animals personalities differ, I don't believe that any one breed is inherently vicious. They are trained to be so.
I speculate that the owner may have been into dog fighting because:
We have recently learned what a big underground business dog fighting is, and
This dog had a history of violence, not the kind of thing you want in a pet, and,
They tried to protect it, so it must have been valuable to them.
Vicious, valuable, but not a pet, = dog fighting.
Of course, I might be wrong.
Not everyone that owns a dog wants it for companionship. Some people want guard dogs. Some want pits thinking they're some sort of status symbol. I know a lot of people here that don't consider dogs pets at all. They keep them for the sole purpose of guarding their homes, and a lot of them never allow their dogs inside their homes.
You can speculate about the owner all you want, but there's really no way to tell if they were involved in dog fighting or not. The cops and the press have not hinted at that up to this point.
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#9 2007-09-21 3:28 pm
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justine wrote:
You can speculate about the owner all you want, but there's really no way to tell if they were involved in dog fighting or not. The cops and the press have not hinted at that up to this point.
You're absolutely right. My question about dog fighting was a knee-jerk reaction facilitated by the perpetuation of stereotypes by the sensationalist media.
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#10 2007-09-21 3:30 pm
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That, and the words, "Pit Bull Attack".
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#11 2007-09-21 3:45 pm
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Somehow justine is connected to everyone who has something bad happen to them, especially when it involves something someone on the forum is passionate about 


Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's right. Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
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#12 2007-09-21 4:17 pm
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Fried Chicken wrote:
Somehow justine is connected to everyone who has something bad happen to them, especially when it involves something someone on the forum is passionate about
Whatever. 
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#13 2007-09-21 4:33 pm
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justine wrote:
Fried Chicken wrote:
Somehow justine is connected to everyone who has something bad happen to them, especially when it involves something someone on the forum is passionate about
Whatever.
I was just having a similar thought; that justine sure knows a lot of people that have had bad things happen to them.
Maybe she's a jinx 
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#14 2007-09-21 4:48 pm
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doc-robc wrote:
justine wrote:
Fried Chicken wrote:
Somehow justine is connected to everyone who has something bad happen to them, especially when it involves something someone on the forum is passionate about
Whatever.
I was just having a similar thought; that justine sure knows a lot of people that have had bad things happen to them.
Maybe she's a jinx
I know someone that got hit by a car. How do you figure i know a lot of people that have bad things happen to them?
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#15 2007-09-21 5:06 pm
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Is that it? Just two people? I seem to recall seeing more posts than that about bad situations people you know have been involved in.
Anyway, I don't mean anything by it. Don't Taser me bro! 
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#16 2007-09-21 5:10 pm
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doc-robc wrote:
Is that it? Just two people? I seem to recall seeing more posts than that about bad situations people you know have been involved in.
Anyway, I don't mean anything by it. Don't Taser me bro!
Who's the second person, and do you call all women bro?
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#17 2007-09-21 5:19 pm
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The person hit by the car and now this ladies daughter's dog.
And no. I was just watching the video of that student getting tasered at the Kerry rally and thought that would make a good catch phrase against an authority figure such as yourself. Since you're sort of the police around here. You're probably the first women I ever called bro. I won't let it happen again. I'll be shutting up now...
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#18 2007-09-21 5:32 pm
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doc-robc wrote:
The person hit by the car and now this ladies daughter's dog.
I don't consider my friends daughter or the dog a victim. Bad things happened to their victim, whom i don't know.
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#19 2007-09-21 6:02 pm
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I don't own a dog.
However, if I did, and it attacked someone; I would kill it on the spot.
Perhaps I would feel different if I was a dog owner, but I hope that I would not. Pet owners should/must take responsibility for the actions of their pets.
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#20 2007-09-21 6:09 pm
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LeeBarnes wrote:
I don't own a dog.
However, if I did, and it attacked someone; I would kill it on the spot.
Perhaps I would feel different if I was a dog owner, but I hope that I would not. Pet owners should/must take responsibility for the actions of their pets.
I use to know someone that had a Chow. It was a family pet. It was a few years old. Was around kids a lot. Then one Thanksgiving, her 2 year old niece walked by the dog (in front of everyone there) and the dog just lunged for the kid. The dog grabbed the kid by the stomach. They had to pry the dog off. They called 911 and either the cops called animal control or my friend did, but they came out to quarantine the dog, she told them to put it down. She didn't want the dog back in her house, and she didn't want anyone adopting it and possibly have the same thing happen again.
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#21 2007-09-21 6:47 pm
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justine wrote:
I use to know someone that had a Chow. It was a family pet. It was a few years old. Was around kids a lot. Then one Thanksgiving, her 2 year old niece walked by the dog (in front of everyone there) and the dog just lunged for the kid. The dog grabbed the kid by the stomach. They had to pry the dog off. They called 911 and either the cops called animal control or my friend did, but they came out to quarantine the dog, she told them to put it down. She didn't want the dog back in her house, and she didn't want anyone adopting it and possibly have the same thing happen again.
There's another one. 
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#22 2007-09-21 7:30 pm
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doc-robc wrote:
justine wrote:
I use to know someone that had a Chow. It was a family pet. It was a few years old. Was around kids a lot. Then one Thanksgiving, her 2 year old niece walked by the dog (in front of everyone there) and the dog just lunged for the kid. The dog grabbed the kid by the stomach. They had to pry the dog off. They called 911 and either the cops called animal control or my friend did, but they came out to quarantine the dog, she told them to put it down. She didn't want the dog back in her house, and she didn't want anyone adopting it and possibly have the same thing happen again.
There's another one.
I knew you'd say that. 
As old as i am, the odds are that i'm going to know people throughout my lifetime that bad things have happened to. Oh, and that isn't a second one anyway. I didn't know the 2 year old. 
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#23 2007-09-21 7:56 pm
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Re: Pit Bull attack
justine wrote:
LeeBarnes wrote:
I don't own a dog.
However, if I did, and it attacked someone; I would kill it on the spot.
Perhaps I would feel different if I was a dog owner, but I hope that I would not. Pet owners should/must take responsibility for the actions of their pets.I use to know someone that had a Chow. It was a family pet. It was a few years old. Was around kids a lot. Then one Thanksgiving, her 2 year old niece walked by the dog (in front of everyone there) and the dog just lunged for the kid. The dog grabbed the kid by the stomach. They had to pry the dog off. They called 911 and either the cops called animal control or my friend did, but they came out to quarantine the dog, she told them to put it down. She didn't want the dog back in her house, and she didn't want anyone adopting it and possibly have the same thing happen again.
Yeah, Chows can be vicious little bastards. My cousin and her husband purchased a chow puppy years ago, trained it, and never abused it. They had it for several years or so, then one day it randomly snapped at their toddler. After that, the Chow went bye bye.
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#24 2007-09-21 8:19 pm
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Re: Pit Bull attack
MuckSavage wrote:
Bah. Registration.
Nevermind. My mad interweb skillz prevail again.
The only problem I have with this is the classifying of it as a pitbull. My dog looks a lot like a pit, but she has no pit in her. And the media loves a good pit bull attack story.
The Media Definition Of A Pit Bull: Any medium sized short haired dog that attacks someone.
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#25 2007-09-21 8:47 pm
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