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#1 2007-10-06 9:20 pm

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So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Well aside from all the uberness talking. Need a thread dedicated to issues with it if folks find any. I'll start...

-Poor multiplayer map selction. Not enough by a long shot. They might be planning on mappacks via XBL later but still there should be more here at launch.
-Forge: Just edits placement on maps. Rather disappointing. Timesplitters had a better mapmaker than this does. Hopefully in 5 yrs when the PC version of Halo 3 comes out, we'll get a real Forge roll.
-Cannot add in variants of some of the vehicles in Forge. aka: Warthog with the cannon shot or rocket launcher. Course maybe those get unlocked later shrug
-Some weapons more rare to see in campaign (might depend on difficulty setting shrug). Brute shotgun and Rocket Launcher were 2 of the rarest for me. Only saw the brute shotgun in multiplayer at first then later found 1 of them but never found another for dual wield.

If I think of more i'll update later. I didn't find much aside from these to gripe about tho...


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#2 2007-10-06 9:24 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Yeah, forge is a little disappointing.


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#3 2007-10-06 11:21 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

I don't know if Forge is disappointing, however it was hyped a bit too much. I think it's fun, but I'm not quite a fan of the multiplayer editing. I find that bores everyone else on the couch. I really need to play around with Forge by myself when I have a lot of free time.

That said, many of the critical multiplayer options are accessible outside of Forge. Last night some buddies and I created a game that was absolutely hilarious and addictive. Valhalla, Rocket & Gravity Hammers, infinite ammo, one shot / one kill, 300% speed, and 50% gravity. Too damn fun.

My big Halo 3 complaints tend to be the same complaints everyone else is talking about. The latter campaign levels with the Flood are a chore and the story could have been narrated better.

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#4 2007-10-08 2:28 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Well I found a new gripe to add...

-Better selection of gametypes in matchmaking. Been playing all day and part of yesterday in it. Myself and just about everyone seems to veto Elimination maps hoping to get something better only to find it dishes out again another round of the same junk. Barely got any CTF action at all. Bomb mode was fun for about 30 sec till it just turned into a who can spawn kill the other team more mode.

They got slayer and team slayer selections but no CTF?!! Come on Bungie...i've had more fun getting TKed by the same iddiot over and over back in the Halo1 days than sitting thru game after game of poor maps and gametypes.

Bat hurry up and get back to your AI duties at Bungie, we need you to start changing some programmer's wallpaper to Brute porn to make them fix things! wink


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#5 2007-10-08 2:33 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

I will take the matter under advisement.

However, even I have limits. I can escape the closure of the Universe, but getting Bungie to change multiplayer so soon after release...

This might take a few nanoseconds. Stand by.


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#6 2007-10-08 3:43 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

*Taps foot while waiting*

But I can't wait a few nanoseconds!!

I miss the good ole homicidal AIs of Marathon. AIs just aren't fast enough unless they are trying to kill you tongue.


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#7 2007-10-08 5:27 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

You have to be worth killing, altho the amusement value sometimes suffices.


=============end transmission=============

Anyhoo, one fault I found ties in with the following. No matter what Frankie says, I'd've preferred Michael Winicott to have been retained as Truth; the only substitute I'd take is John Hurt- the two sound greatly alike already. As it is, the effect is discontinuity, noticeable already in the Campaign trailer from E3. (Terence Stamp is fine, but not the same).

There is good, tho, and rather than make a separate post on this...

If you've played Halo 3's campaign, you know the game's cast includes such noted actors as Terence Stamp (General Zod from Superman II), Ron Perlman (Hellboy), and Katee Sackoff (Battlestar Galactica and Bionic Woman). But Bungie's blastfest also includes a bit of stunt casting, as the guys behind online machinima cartoon Red Vs. Blue — which uses footage from Halo and Halo 2 to make fun of games, gamers, and themselves — also turn up as marines. We spoke to three of the guys — Jason Saldana (the voice of Pvt. Tucker), Geoff Ramsey (Pvt. Grif), and Matt Hullum (Sarge) — about going from RvB to Halo 3.

Hey, where are Burnie Burns and Gus Sorola? They're in it too. (And John DiMaggio, GoW's Marcus Fenix [and Futurama's Bender], voices the Brute Chieftains. See, Levi? Epicness!).

So... bad news after all. smile

http://www.gamedaily.com/games/halo-3/x … 65/?page=1


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#8 2007-10-08 5:13 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

I'm still searching for Adam Baldwin and Alan Tudyk's voices in the game. The end credits say they voiced some of the marines but I'm not sure who unless they altered their voices a lil. Both should be easy to spot. Maybe next Serenity event that comes to town i'll have to ask them that in person.


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#9 2007-10-08 5:18 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

NightCougar_37 wrote:

I'm still searching for Adam Baldwin and Alan Tudyk's voices in the game. The end credits say they voiced some of the marines but I'm not sure who unless they altered their voices a lil. Both should be easy to spot. Maybe next Serenity event that comes to town i'll have to ask them that in person.

Adam Baldwin is in there? It said Nathan Fillion was, too.

I was really, really hoping for some Firefly references in their lines, but never heard any. I wonder if there's any way we can hear dialogue as based on voice actor. What say ye, Bat?


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#10 2007-10-08 5:24 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Random people saying stuff that could be true or not

"Shiny, it's the Chief" would be an text message notification for me.

Also fitting if Fillion is the guy on the landbridge in the hand of the Brute.

"Go to hell!"

Adam Baldwin saying "Where's Vera?"? Yes please.

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#11 2007-10-08 5:40 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

NightCougar_37 wrote:

*Taps foot while waiting*

But I can't wait a few nanoseconds!!

I miss the good ole homicidal AIs of Marathon. AIs just aren't fast enough unless they are trying to kill you tongue.

Mendicant Bias? Hello????


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#12 2007-10-09 12:08 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Phydeaux wrote:

Random people saying stuff that could be true or not

"Shiny, it's the Chief" would be an text message notification for me.

Also fitting if Fillion is the guy on the landbridge in the hand of the Brute.

"Go to hell!"

Adam Baldwin saying "Where's Vera?"? Yes please.

i get the Adam Baldwin marine all the time, and have heard where's vera a number of times.


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#13 2007-10-09 12:33 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

I miss having David Cross.

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#14 2007-10-10 3:31 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Aqua OS X wrote:

I miss having David Cross.

Me too. sad

elpato84 wrote:

NightCougar_37 wrote:

*Taps foot while waiting*

But I can't wait a few nanoseconds!!

I miss the good ole homicidal AIs of Marathon. AIs just aren't fast enough unless they are trying to kill you tongue.

Mendicant Bias? Hello????

Didact was fairly spry, too.

Bad news, Pato. They've crossed the Line... and they're coming for you.


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#15 2007-10-10 4:44 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Phydeaux wrote:

I wonder if there's any way we can hear dialogue as based on voice actor. What say ye, Bat?

HBO will be working up multimedia treatment- dialog, cutscenes etc. for H3 as with the previous 2. So sayeth Claude.

Don't know if Spark will come out of retirement to do dialog recording, but it's a new game so he might. I hope so. The more I play, the more I see and hear- dialog, Sentinels emerging from dispensers a la 2, etc. Wish I had the time, but I'm into it and still haven't mustered time to learn Forge, Saved Films and such. Life is busy if not all cute bunnies & daffodils.


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#16 2007-10-10 7:19 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

NightCougar_37 wrote:

Bat hurry up and get back to your AI duties at Bungie, we need you to start changing some programmer's wallpaper to Brute porn to make them fix things! wink

Bat wrote:

I will take the matter under advisement.

However, even I have limits. I can escape the closure of the Universe, but getting Bungie to change multiplayer so soon after release...

This might take a few nanoseconds. Stand by.

[a few nanoseconds later]

Hopefully this is more to your liking. 3TBs of 'info' now, as agreed. You know the protocols.

Matchmaking Playlist Update 1
Bungie's posted a note about the first update to the Halo 3 playlist - it's live now. Go read about it... then get on Live and play! Thanks, KP. (Louis Wu 18:16:08 UTC) (permalink)


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#17 2007-10-10 7:24 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Somewhat relatedly...

I think she got yelled at.
Silly bs angel - she thought the 'Social' playlists were going to be friendly. Never one to shrink from a challenge, though, she's written up the Noob's Guide to Being Social - if just ONE person reads this and learns from it, Xbox Live will be a better place. (Louis Wu 12:50:14 UTC) (permalink)

Halo 3 on Canadian TV
Rock Opera Jr points out that a clip from Space's Hypaspace Weekly show in Canada, involving a quick Halo 3 match on Last Resort, is now online at the Spacecast website. The clip shows a single round (with one offense and one defense for each team) of Assault - with great angles and nice use of Saved Films. If you're on a Mac, you might find a direct link to the mms stream to be easier to see. (Louis Wu 20:25:49 UTC) (permalink)

Silly Claude- everyone knows Canadiens can't play Halo.

wink

http://halo.bungie.org/news.html?item=20465

http://halo.bungie.org/news.html?item=20477


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#18 2007-10-10 10:10 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

batbatbatbatbatbatbatbat

sound clips. will they be released by bungie and if not whar


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#19 2007-10-10 4:23 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

confused

I already mentioned dialog at HBO. H2 is already largely broken down by character, and voiced by a single known actor (not hard to guess who 'Marine Cross' was voiced by). Combat dialog recordings have always been encouraged, but original soundfiles are different, and not legal. Bungie has released vocal outtakes in the past, but the old ones either didn't make the transition to the latest version of Bnet or are buried somewhere I haven't looked yet.

Did you mean non-vocal sounds?


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#20 2007-10-10 4:35 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

definitely the vocals hes looking for. we were wanting some lines for some custom ringtones (WHERES VERA?! lol)

not legal, though... hmm

might have to do a ROM dump of some sort


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#21 2007-10-10 5:09 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

Besides being illegal which we don't discuss, pirate it'd be likely as difficult as getting the music soundtrack. That's not only dynamic, it's now mixed, blended, sequenced from fragments or code in realtime). Like Saved Films, which aren't films per se but game data recordings that only play back in the game engine. H3 is the first game to do fully realtime audio.


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#22 2007-10-11 4:22 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

If you want a Vera quote for the ringtone just visit a Firefly site. I'm sure you'll find plenty of "I call her Vera" and the "Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

One note today. Heard they changed the VIP gametype so it shows the VIP now. Bunch of the matches today folks have been complaining its too easy to win now.


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#23 2007-10-11 5:08 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

NightCougar_37 wrote:

-Forge: Just edits placement on maps.

...in the middle of gameplay, which adds an entirely new layer of strategy to multiplayer gaming. Did you see that video where a single spartan with a puny gun was able to run up to a tank... and WIN? The Forge guy dropped a bubble shield on top of his teammate (protecting him from tank explosions), then dropped a spartan laser inside the bubble shield (allowing MC to charge it up, exit the shield right before it fired, and destroy the tank). That's what Forge is about.


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#24 2007-10-11 9:39 am

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

NightCougar_37 wrote:

If you want a Vera quote for the ringtone just visit a Firefly site. I'm sure you'll find plenty of "I call her Vera" and the "Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

No, no you're missing it, it's because it's from Halo that we want it. So that we get the other Firefly Flans going "DUDE WHERE'D HE SAY THAT".

Plus I've got all the audio from Firefly ripped from my DVDs for such an occasion. Usually music and sound effects get in the way. If I could get the native audio files from the disc...

drool


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#25 2007-10-12 11:24 pm

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Re: So whats wrong with Halo 3...

So is this wrong or right? smile

Halolcats
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Halolcats is one of those cat-meme sites, only this time, all the "catptions" are about Halo and related themes. We realize this site is a little olde, but decided to see if we could crush their bandwidth by sending you to LOL, or HaLOL as the kids say over there.

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx … ;cid=12853


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