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#1 2007-10-27 2:37 am
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Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
The Adobe Leopard support site says that Elements 4.0 and earlier are likely to have problems to which there are no resolutions. Looks like they are not going to make a Leopard compatible version in the near future or any updates either.
So what can I use that will give me the basic photo manipulation that Elements gives me?
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#2 2007-10-27 2:49 am
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
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#3 2007-10-27 5:31 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Pixelmator, although I have no way to verify it's Leopard friendly. I know, it's not free like Gimp, but sometimes paying for a good app is worthwhile.
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#4 2007-10-27 7:04 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
GraphicConverter, which is compatible with Leopard. US$35 shareware.
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#5 2007-10-27 10:49 pm
Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I upgraded to Leopard yesterday and Elements 4.0.1 seems to work OK for me. I did go to the Adobe site and take notice that they believe that a Leopard install will:
"Likely to encounter issues for which there is no resolution." 
I also made note that they have no "consumer" product scheduled to replace Elements. 
Therefore, it must be time to give the "proverbial" finger to Adobe and move on. Perhaps Apple will continue to improve iPhoto editing (they would need to go a long, long way) to match the feature set and quality of Elements 4.0.
I already have a current copy of GraphiConverter and will likely pick up a copy of Gimp to try out. 
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#6 2007-10-27 11:02 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Pixelmator was supposedly designed primarily for 10.5 so it shouldn't have problems.
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#7 2007-10-27 11:16 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
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#8 2007-10-28 12:44 am
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
If I'm reading the wording on their FAQ chart right, it says that PE 4.0 and earlier aren't supported, which infers that 4.0.1 onward are supported, so as long as you've got the current version it should work with Leopard.
Or I could be totally wrong...
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#9 2007-11-04 1:01 am
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Just to update 10.5 kills Pixelmator and some versions of Photoshop (not elements). So huzzah. I was hoping Pixelmator wouldn't be busted so horribly by this update. (The bad part is that apparently the guys working on pixelmator have not been heard from in about a month.)
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#10 2007-11-04 4:42 am
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
PE 4.0 works fine here. I would use The GIMP but I don't like hitting my head with a hammer.
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#11 2007-11-04 4:22 pm
Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I just downloaded Pixelmator v1.0.1. It looks pretty cool and grabs pictures right out of iPhoto through a viewer window. It will take a while to learn this software, but, what I see so far I really like. 
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#12 2007-11-04 4:24 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Just don't upgrade to 10.5.
Edit: It seems that if you go full screen mode in 10.5 the bugs aren't as bad.
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#13 2007-11-04 5:38 pm
Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Pixelmator is missing about 96% of the features I need from Photoshop. Pixelmator should be a Photoshop Clone. Not a Photoshop Wannabe. Maybe in time.. like a few years.
Graphic Converter's UI is frustrating. The hot keys are completely unintuitive. (Why when I press Z to switch to the Zoom tool does it choose Fill? Fill has no Z in it! Why is Zoom "S"? There's no S in Zoom! Selection is M which makes sense. Marquee in Photoshop is Select. M makes sense. But nothing else! I feel like the program is laughing at me when it does something I don't want it to. Also, there are no layers. That sucks. But I use it anyway because it's handy once in a while.
Gimp is not quite there IMHO.
I miss my Photoshop. 
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#14 2007-11-04 5:51 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Jasoco wrote:
Pixelmator is missing about 96% of the features I need from Photoshop. Pixelmator should be a Photoshop Clone. Not a Photoshop Wannabe. Maybe in time.. like a few years.
Graphic Converter's UI is frustrating. The hot keys are completely unintuitive. (Why when I press Z to switch to the Zoom tool does it choose Fill? Fill has no Z in it! Why is Zoom "S"? There's no S in Zoom! Selection is M which makes sense. Marquee in Photoshop is Select. M makes sense. But nothing else! I feel like the program is laughing at me when it does something I don't want it to. Also, there are no layers. That sucks. But I use it anyway because it's handy once in a while.
Gimp is not quite there IMHO.
I miss my Photoshop.
I have always suspect GC odd KB commands are because it was originally developed in German.
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#15 2007-11-04 6:04 pm
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So have I, but that's what localization is for. Localization. I want Z for zoom. M for Marquee (Wait, that one is there. Right.) F for fill, or even K I think like Photoshop uses for bucKet. The keys it uses now have no logical layout in English.
Pixelmator looked promising. But in its infancy, it's just not ready for my money yet.
I wish Gimp were OS X native and not dependent on X11 and a non standard GUI look and feel. I want it to gain focus when I click it. I want my menus in the menubar. Plus it doesn't open my Photoshop files. 
I miss my Photoshop.
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#16 2007-11-04 6:13 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I seriously hope they get more developers for Pixelmator. The 10.5 bugs show that they are in over their heads, or they're scamming everyone.
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#17 2007-11-04 6:25 pm
Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I haven't noticed any bugs so much as missing features.
BTW, I suppose that after my 30 day trial is up, I will never ever be able to try out future versions of the program? This always bugs me. When a new version comes out, you need to make it reset the trial period! I will not buy it until it is perfect. And how can I see if it's perfect if my 30 day trial is over? Or were they smart this time? Because I've seen too many companies put out trials of programs that don't let you try later updated versions because of the trial period ending and not being able to be reset.
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#18 2007-11-05 6:20 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I'm awaiting delivery of a 2.8GHz iMac24. I've purchased FUSION software to run Windows for PE 2.0 and Frontpage--will I have any problem running them in "virtual PC?"
Forgive edits--I'm a Mac newbie, and forever an ex-PCer with the exception of software issues mentioned.
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#19 2007-11-05 6:45 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Jasoco wrote:
I haven't noticed any bugs so much as missing features.
BTW, I suppose that after my 30 day trial is up, I will never ever be able to try out future versions of the program? This always bugs me. When a new version comes out, you need to make it reset the trial period! I will not buy it until it is perfect. And how can I see if it's perfect if my 30 day trial is over? Or were they smart this time? Because I've seen too many companies put out trials of programs that don't let you try later updated versions because of the trial period ending and not being able to be reset.
If you're talking about the pixelmator trial then you're putting a watermark in the center of everything you edit. Just an FYI.
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#20 2007-11-05 7:34 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Why in the world is Adobe treating us like this???? Isn't Mac the prefered platform for graphic apps?? No Leopard for me! I couldn't live without my Elements app!!
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#21 2007-11-06 1:27 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
>I'm awaiting delivery of a 2.8GHz iMac24. I've purchased FUSION software to run Windows for PE 2.0 and Frontpage--will I have any problem running them in "virtual PC?"
Anyone have advice on this?
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#22 2007-11-06 4:08 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
iZoe wrote:
Why in the world is Adobe treating us like this???? Isn't Mac the prefered platform for graphic apps?? No Leopard for me! I couldn't live without my Elements app!!
Elements works fine for me under Leopard. I rab thru a variety of editing and filters and stuff trying to find anything that wouldnt work and all seems well to me.
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#23 2007-11-06 5:29 pm
Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
I can't get CS2 to work, but a friend says his runs it fine. I think his is a PPC though. Mine's an Intel. Would that have anything to do with it? It gives an error about something not being able to be loaded. This is after it finishes loading the interface and showing all the toolbars and palettes.
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#24 2007-11-06 5:49 pm
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Pariah wrote:
iZoe wrote:
Why in the world is Adobe treating us like this???? Isn't Mac the prefered platform for graphic apps?? No Leopard for me! I couldn't live without my Elements app!!
Elements works fine for me under Leopard. I rab thru a variety of editing and filters and stuff trying to find anything that wouldnt work and all seems well to me.
What version of Elements are you using? I have v2.0 and it crashes as soon as I try to open it.
I'm not a doctor but I'll take a look!
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#25 2008-01-03 11:23 am
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Re: Looks like Leopard hoses Adobe Elements
Cobalt60 wrote:
Pariah wrote:
iZoe wrote:
Why in the world is Adobe treating us like this???? Isn't Mac the prefered platform for graphic apps?? No Leopard for me! I couldn't live without my Elements app!!
Elements works fine for me under Leopard. I rab thru a variety of editing and filters and stuff trying to find anything that wouldnt work and all seems well to me.
What version of Elements are you using? I have v2.0 and it crashes as soon as I try to open it.
I have Elements v.2 on the latest version of Tiger (Intel Mac). It works just fine. I heard that v.3 is no big improvement, but after that, all versions of Elements are Windows-only. Now they're on to v.6 and no Mac version???????
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