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#1 2007-11-30 11:26 am
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GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Blasting Kane & Lynch may have left Jeff Gerstmann swinging in the breeze
When deciding what game to spend their hard earned dollars on, players often turn to review sites for information if playable demos are not available. Naturally, one would hope that the writers for these review sites are remaining unbiased in their views of a game -- if it's wonderful, say as much, if it's flawed, point it out, and if it's absolute rubbish, leave it at the side of the curb for pickup.
Unfortunately, when the game in question is the same one that the front page of the website is devoting a banner ad and a full-background splash to, problems can arise. What began as a rumor across gaming forums worldwide last night has been all but confirmed early this morning -- GameSpot's editorial director, Jeff Gerstmann, has been fired for writing a negative review.
Unfortunately, when the game in question is the same one that the front page of the website is devoting a banner ad and a full-background splash to, problems can arise. What began as a rumor across gaming forums worldwide last night has been all but confirmed early this morning -- GameSpot's editorial director, Jeff Gerstmann, has been fired for writing a negative review.
While the text-based review for Kane & Lynch: Dead Men certainly doesn't paint a sparkling picture of the game, it makes it seem like a AAA title compared to the brutally scathing video review. When many of the same written words are spoken, the context and inflection of "Kane & Lynch is an ugly, ugly game" and "if you have a chance to see it, take a look - but it's probably not worth the purchase" takes it down to a whole new (lower) level of garbage.
In a bit of prophetic cartooning, Penny Arcade posted a comic outside of their usual schedule (language may offend some) up last night, showing poor Mr. Gerstmann being asked if he understands the connection between the torrent of Kane & Lynch advertisements and the box of his possessions outside his locked office.
While Jeff has responded to Joystiq confirming his termination, he stated that he was "not really able to comment on the specifics of (his) termination" at this time. Joystiq has promised to continue digging, but already the Eidos forums have come under attack from legions of angry fans, which required them to be taken offline and restored to a snapshot from Thursday -- currently, some members are reporting that they are completely unable to post.
The Kane & Lynch user review score on GameSpot has also rapidly plummeted -- currently sitting at 3.9 -- as reviews of "1.0 - Abysmal" flood in from disgruntled users.
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#2 2007-11-30 12:53 pm
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Wow, what a tell-tale response from fans! Glad to see them pounding down and showing the industry who's boss when they smell a hint of bullsmurf.
What I want to know is, however, what's the difference between this and when they pimped the site out for Spiderman 3? They gave it a low score as well, as I recall, and no one's head rolled on that.
This is indeed a special moment for Penny Arcade, though, because they warned of this way back then, that we're going to see more and more corruption in regards to trying to maintain ad dollars as time goes on.
But really, Eidos, how is a reviewer supposed to give a run-and-gun without online multiplayer, along with lacking many other industry standard features, any sort of decent score? Don't dilute our Halo 3s, Orange Boxes and Bioshocks. We've had a good thing going, there is absolutely no sense in rewarding a company for churning out crap. If it's not on the level of those titles, it's not worth $60.
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#3 2007-11-30 6:17 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Phydeaux wrote:
This is indeed a special moment for Penny Arcade, though, because they warned of this way back then, that we're going to see more and more corruption in regards to trying to maintain ad dollars as time goes on.
That sounds more like common sense to me.
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#4 2007-11-30 6:39 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
It looks very fishy. I'm withholding judgement until more specifics are given. This could be a case of really really bad timing (which they should have avoided).
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#5 2007-11-30 8:01 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Remember, the following quotes have not been confirmed to have come from a GameSpot employee:
The main problem here is that no one in the entire editorial team was aware that this was about to occur, least of all Gerstmann...
Firing him without telling anyone implies that anyone else on this team can be fired at the drop of a hat as well, because none of us are writing any differently or meaner or less professionally than we were two years ago before the management changed.
No one wants to be named because no one wants to get smurfing fired! This management team has shown what they're willing to do. Jeff had ten years in and was smurfing locked out of his office and told to leave the building.
I was in the meeting where Josh Larson was trying to explain this firing and the guy had absolutely no response to any of the criticisms we were sending his way. He kept dodging the question, saying that there were "multiple instances of tone" in the reviews that he hadn't been happy about, but that wasn't Jeff's problem since we all vet every review. He also implied that "AAA" titles deserved more attention when they were being reviewed, which sounded to all of us that he was implying that they should get higher scores, especially since those titles are usually more highly advertised on our site.
...everyone at GS now thinks that if they give a low score to a high-profile game, they'll be smurf. Everyone's smurfing scared and we're all hoping to get Josh Larson removed from his position because no one trusts him anymore. If that doesn't happen then look for every game to be Game of the Year material at GameSpot.
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#6 2007-11-30 9:20 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
In the wake of the rumors surrounding Jeff Gerstmann's suspicious removal as editorial director of Gamespot, Gamespot owner CNET has issued a short, official comment on the situation. "GameSpot takes its editorial integrity extremely seriously," the statement reads. "For over a decade, Gamespot and the many members of its editorial team have produced thousands of unbiased reviews that have been a valuable resource for the gaming community. At CNET Networks, we stand behind the editorial content that our teams produce on a daily basis."
As for Gerstmann specifically, CNET repeated their assertion that "it is CNET Networks' policy not to comment on the status of its employees, current or former."
While it's nice to see CNET taking the accusations seriously, the statement doesn't confirm or deny the facts behind the controversy, or add any significant information to the story. With the rumor still generating significant discussion throughout the online gaming community, such a short, pat statement seems unlikely to stop the gathering storm of attention.
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#7 2007-12-01 10:47 am
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An employee spills it on Valleywag. Kotaku reports.
I was in the meeting where Josh Larson was trying to explain this firing and the guy had absolutely no response to any of the criticisms we were sending his way. He kept dodging the question, saying that there were "multiple instances of tone" in the reviews that he hadn't been happy about, but that wasn't Jeff's problem since we all vet every review. He also implied that "AAA" titles deserved more attention when they were being reviewed, which sounded to all of us that he was implying that they should get higher scores, especially since those titles are usually more highly advertised on our site.
Scary.
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#8 2007-12-01 1:14 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Well, I'm not going to take Gamespot seriously at all anymore (not that I wasn't taking reviews from the big companies with a grain of salt).
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#9 2007-12-01 1:25 pm
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Took their credibility out behind the shed with a shovel...
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#10 2007-12-02 9:38 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Is New CNet Management The Cause For GameSpot Firing?
1Up.com has their own article on the firing of GameSpot executive editor Jeff Gerstmann. The article speculates that the dismissal could be due to Stephen Colvin, the new Executive Vice President at GameSpot's parent company CNet. Colvin, who joined CNet just a month ago, was formerly the CEO of Dennis Publishing, who handle Maxim, Blender and the former Stuff magazines. Those publications tend to mix editorial and marketing a bit (game reviews in those magazines don't mean a lot since many of them are written months ahead of the game's release) and it's thought that Colvin's influence might be extending to GameSpot. The article also links to an anonymous poster on a blog site claiming to have inside info on Gerstmann's firing but there's no real proof that the poster is indeed a member of Gamespot.
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#11 2007-12-02 12:52 pm
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I hope they realize that after a period of time silence will be interpreted as admission that he was fired for the review.
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#12 2007-12-02 3:33 pm
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The only reason I didn't visit places like Gamespot and IGN in the past was because the heavy-laden graphics and animation made my poor Mac Mini get all overworked just to load the front page. Now I have two reasons!
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#13 2007-12-03 1:30 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
More On GameSpot Editor Firing
The effects of GameSpot executive editor Jeff Gerstmann's firing from the web site earlier this week continue to be felt. This Flickr page shows a number of employees from rival Ziff-Davis going to GameSpot's parent company CNet's offices in San Fransisco to hold up signs and protest Gerstmann's firing (allegedly for giving a low review to Kane and Lynch: Dead Men while its publisher Eidos paid for ads to promote the game on the site). Meanwhile Gamespot's message boards are full of people who have stated they will cancel their paid subscriptions to the site in protest of Gerstmann's firing. Finally, a message from GameSpot's community manager states that "I am eagerly anticipating the official word to be released on Tuesday." Thanks Joystiq.
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#14 2007-12-03 5:00 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Bat wrote:
More On GameSpot Editor Firing
The effects of GameSpot executive editor Jeff Gerstmann's firing from the web site earlier this week continue to be felt. This Flickr page shows a number of employees from rival Ziff-Davis going to GameSpot's parent company CNet's offices in San Fransisco to hold up signs and protest Gerstmann's firing (allegedly for giving a low review to Kane and Lynch: Dead Men while its publisher Eidos paid for ads to promote the game on the site). Meanwhile Gamespot's message boards are full of people who have stated they will cancel their paid subscriptions to the site in protest of Gerstmann's firing. Finally, a message from GameSpot's community manager states that "I am eagerly anticipating the official word to be released on Tuesday." Thanks Joystiq.
That's great! These companies know consumers are a bunch of dumb smurf and couldn't care less about what we think...so I *love* to see consumers in turn protest with their almighty dollar...the only thing these dickless corporate mouth breathers understand. I hope they lose subscribers by the thousands (they'll probably only lose about 15, but I can dream, can't I...)
They don't care if the game sucks...they just want you to pay for it. Anytime someone is punished for telling the truth (even if the truth is simply a trusted opinion), then a crime has been committed.
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#15 2007-12-05 1:18 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Kane And Lynch Web Site Creates Scores For Reviews?
While CNet has officially said that the firing last week of GameSpot executive editor Jeff Gerstmann was not the result of editorial pressure from outside advertisers, it looks like the game at the center of Gerstmann's dismissal, the Eidos published Kane and Lynch: Dead Men, may be creating review scores on their web site. Kotaku points out two review scores allegedly from Game Informer and GameSpy. Both have five stars as their scores but GameSpy's actual review only has three stars. GameInformer doesn't use stars but a 10 based number system (it gave the game seven out of 10). Update Those star scores on the reviews on the Kane and Lynch web site have now been removed.
The game is so good it reviews itself! Who needs reviewers? 
From now on, game ratings will be supplied by gamemakers & reviews by fans, where good (high) enough.
(In related news, Activision Blizzard Vivendi has decided WoW no longer needs reviews, as no rating or review is high enough for it- or any other of its upcoming games
).
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsart … chid=18578
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#16 2007-12-05 9:00 am
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The question isn't if World of Warcrack is good. It whether it's worth $15 a month above the cost of the game plus any and all of your free time.
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#17 2007-12-05 10:09 am
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It is like they want to piss off their customers. The next step is to obviously sue someone. 
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#18 2007-12-05 10:12 am
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After the Gamespot debacle, now would've been the time for Eidos to curl up and lay low, but they can't even do that. What filthy liars. People with controlling interests in the company should be making sure that heads roll over this bullsmurf.
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#19 2007-12-05 10:44 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Exactly, even if the guy was fired for other reasons the timing is absolutely horrible. You don't go do stuff like that when your credibility is on the line.
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#20 2007-12-06 3:02 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Their credibility is nearing bottom.
GameSpot Posts Q&A On "Gerstmanngate"
Even though it released an official response to the situation on Monday night, the gaming web site GameSpot has now posted up a full FAQ on the firing of executive editor Jeff Gerstmann. Once again, the FAQ does not talk about the direct reason why Gerstmann was dismissed last week, saying only, "they stemmed from issues unrelated to any publisher or advertiser; it was due purely for internal reasons." It does address why Gerstmann's 6.0 (out of 10) review of Eidos's action game Kane and Lynch was altered several days after it was posted, saying, "The copy was adjusted several days after its publication so that it better meshed with its score, which remained unchanged." The video review of the game was taken down, according to the FAQ, because of technical issues; "Specifically, its audio was deemed inferior due to a faulty microphone." The video review has now been reposted on the site, in its original form, "in the spirit of full disclosure." While publisher Eidos "expressed their displeasure" about the review, that displeasure was never given to the editorial department of Gamespot and Eidos's comments did not influence Gerstmann's departure. While the FAQ states that the review did not deviate from GameSpot's own review policies, it did say, "an internal review of the incident and controversy is under way."
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#21 2007-12-06 3:23 am
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I was willing to give them a chance with their FAQ, but they just sidestepped the important questions and gave some very vague answers to some of the other questions.
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#22 2007-12-06 5:23 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
"The copy was adjusted several days after its publication so that it better meshed with its score, which remained unchanged."
Rewriting a review by another author is unforgivable. I think it's safe to assume the tone was softened a fair bit, and note the original has apparently not been similarly reposted, 'spirit of full disclosure' notwithstanding.
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#23 2007-12-06 10:01 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
Here is a handy translation guide:
Better mesh with the score = changed the review to sound more positive while not changing the score due to it being too obvious
Faulty microphone = the microphone was on
And it isn't like they needed good scores. They just give themselves 10 stars on the game's website.
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#24 2007-12-07 6:13 am
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
ScifiterX wrote:
The question isn't if World of Warcrack is good. It whether it's worth $15 a month above the cost of the game plus any and all of your free time.
The issue is entirely different. The Activision-Blizzard deal was done to create an entity big enough to rival EA.
It's about 800 lb. corporate gorillas big enough to not care much about reviews, public perception etc.
Blizz might care, but VU clearly doesn't, especially if you remember the scandals of a few years back.
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#25 2008-01-05 8:30 pm
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Re: GameSpot Editorial Director Fired Over Low Review Score?
It won't die.
GameSpot Reviewer Resigns Because Of Editor Firing
The fallout from last November's firing of GameSpot's Executive Editor Jeff Gertsmann continues; a post on long time Gamespot game reviewer Frank Provo's personal blog states that he has resigned his position. According to his statement, "I believe CNet management let Jeff go for all the wrong reasons. I believe CNet intends to soften the site's tone and push for higher scores to make advertisers happy. I won't lie to people and tell them a game is good when it isn't. I won't downplay negatives that readers have a right to know about." Thanks Kotaku
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