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With the more info I find on Christianity, I'm not really sure wha I think about it any more, as over the years it's been dramatically changed, like in the 18 century (I think), the bible was greatly edited to say that he males must always be dominating (those people obviously never been to the Amazon), and at the same time the church was spreading propaganda about women, calling them witches and the likes, and that they need to be kept under check (causing the Salem witch hunts [if there really were witches, don't you think that they could avoid being caught and drowned, burned, etc?]), causing most of the sexism that are quite watered-down now, but that has changed mostly in the last 100 years or so.

Yeah, the bible is pretty sexist. Actually, all the Abrahamic religious are pretty misogynist. Islam is particularly bad.

In any case, I have no strong desire to get married. However, I would like equality under the law. I want to be treated equally under the tax code, etc. Personally I think marriage is an archaic institution. So for me, it's not a desire to get married as much as a desire to be treated equally under the law.

I'd rather see the legal institution of marriage abolished and replaced with civil unions for everyone. If a couple wants a religious marriage ceremony, go to church.

[Tycho?] wrote:

Why a homosexual person would want to have anything to do with such an institution is beyond me. Its like a black woman wanting to be a neo-nazi, I dont get it.

*sigh*

It's a simple issue of societal equality.  Whether or not I want to actually get married and/or ever serve in the military is irrelevant.

bedstuy wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Kev!

I hope that post is being discussed in Mod Squad.

Why should it be?

Your total ignorance of what the ceremony and vows mean is embarrassing.

as has been stated, legal marriage does not require religious and/or statements of subservience.
you do not have to be married in a church to have the marriage recognized as legal.

i doubt any political pressure can force a church to recognize your marriage if such proceedings are in opposition to the church's rules, but if that is your goal, then you've probably chosen the wrong church/religion/sect. 

on the other hand, if an institution such as a religiously affiliated hospital expects they may have occasion to admit emergency patients from all walks of life, they must defer to legal status, and not religious status, as a jew with heart failure would be at a dietary disadvantage in a catholic hospital, as would a gay couple expecting visitation rights...

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I hope that post is being discussed in Mod Squad.

Why should it be?

Ah, so if I had post something like that I'd be fine?

Got it.

I didn't tell him to do anything.
And it wasn't suicide, it was doing surgery on his penis himself.

spike wrote:

banning marriage impinges on my right to get married.

No it doesn't you're are free to go into a church and get married or elope or whatever.

if both couples are consenting and want it, whats the problem?

The problem is that it gives benefits to the married couple that unmarried couples (gay or otherwise) do not get.

If you are a couple and you decide not to get married as a matter of principle (i.e. rejection of the system and this archaic institution) why do you have to miss out on the benefits. Through marital benefits the state is encouraging marriage, an institution that many might not support.

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Why should it be?

Ah, so if I had post something like that I'd be fine?

Got it.

I didn't tell him to do anything.
And it wasn't suicide, it was doing surgery on his penis himself.

Dude, just stop. If you are not going to contribute, go back to riding your tractor, farmboy.

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Beyond Blunderdome wrote:

Bart:        Quiet!  Dad's going to get his butt kicked by Mel Gibson.
               Knock his teeth out, Homer!

Homer:     Listen, Gibson.  I'm tired of Hollywood pretty-boys like
               you and Jack Valente thinking you can have any woman you
               want.  You see this?  [holds up Marge's hand, to permit
               close inspection of Marge's wedding ring]  It symbolizes
               that she's my property, and I own her.

I need to convert to this religion of which you speak, Shnicky.  My wife's got the love and honor part down pretty good.  She needs to work on obey.

Chickenhawk wrote:

agedgruel wrote:

I need to convert to this religion of which you speak, Shnicky.  My wife's got the love and honor part down pretty good.  She needs to work on obey.

have you tried slapping her around?

"Has not slapping a bitch around ever had the desired effect?"

     -- A Pimp Named Slickback

You're just now figuring out the sexist inequality of many Christian marriage ceremonies?  How old are you, anyway?

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