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#1 2007-12-17 12:59 pm

ShnickyShnack
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me = traumatized

So last night, heading home after driving my girlfriend home in the crazy snow, I spun out.

It was right about here.

I was tooling along at about 50 kph, and noticed a modest uphill grade so I have it a little more gas. Suddenly voop! the wheels slid out from under me and the car started to spin. I noticed I was headed for a crash barrier for the Gardiner Expressway onramp, had time to think, "oh this is gonna hurt" (I was moments away from getting t-boned), but then put on just a wee bit of brake, turned into the spin and the car suddenly snapped into place, facing exactly the opposite direction of where I started -- with oncoming traffic about 75 yards away.

I swung it around and got on the Gardiner (which was just as slippery as the Lake Shore) and made it back home unscathed (though with sore hands from clenching the wheel).

I pride myself on being an excellent winter driver, but it was the first time I'd driven in snowy conditions with a rear-wheel drive. Turns out Porsche 944s don't like the snow. Go figure, eh?

It's quite something to see a machine which normally handles so beautifully converted into a hunk of crap that handles as well as a comatose walrus.

Ever spin out before? It's not fun.


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#2 2007-12-17 1:17 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I've done that before going southbound on the DVP, at the York Mills offramp. I steered to turn into the exit lane, and I started sliding instead. I can't quite remember what I did, but I did decide to pass that offramp and drive my friend to my house instead...

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#3 2007-12-17 1:27 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Time for some snow tires...  or a Subaru.  wink


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#4 2007-12-17 1:27 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I'll take either!


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#5 2007-12-17 1:30 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

If you have snow tires you'll want to drive full speed wink


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#6 2007-12-17 1:36 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Even under optimum conditions I don't dare do that ...


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#7 2007-12-17 1:43 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

This is why the only inclement weather I will drive in is rain.

Around here, it ices so infrequently, unless you have a death wish you better stay off the road. Good and bad drivers completely suck at driving on ice, and the majority of the students who live in my town are from Southeast Texas or other places that don't actually get traditional winter weather.

I spun one time - a slight fishtail - but I basically just let go of the gas, didn't bother with the brake, and was able to keep my car in my lane going 45 mph. I never ever want to do that again, trust me. The adrenaline rush was insane, and not in a good way.


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#8 2007-12-17 1:53 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Yeah, normally I hardly ever use the brakes in the snow (amazing how few people seem to comprehend that obvious technique). However when spinning toward a solid-looking barrier, I figured a slight application wouldn't hurt.


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#9 2007-12-17 1:59 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Once when I was about 16, I spun out on a patch of ice on a curvy road.  I remember watching a mailbox pass right in front of my bumper as we spun around several times.

Fortunately, there wasn't much else to hit and we stayed on the road anyway.  I think that now, as a more experienced driver, I would have been able to avoid it.

But yeah- front-wheel or 4-wheel drive only.  People who own rear-wheel drive around here are nuts.

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#10 2007-12-17 2:07 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I've never spun out unintentionally, though I have been in a car where someone has. it is very scary indeed.

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#11 2007-12-17 2:11 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

This thread is a transparent attempt to pimp that Porsche on teh intrawebz!

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#12 2007-12-17 2:15 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

bedstuy wrote:

This thread is a transparent attempt to pimp that Porsche on teh intrawebz!

Indeed.


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#13 2007-12-17 2:16 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

What, you mean this Porsche?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/mamoo_land/mamoocar-small.jpg

Come on, I'd never stoop so low.


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#14 2007-12-17 2:19 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

beddie ftw++

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#15 2007-12-17 2:22 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/mamoo_land/pch2-small.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/mamoo_land/P6166080-small.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/mamoo_land/944_tail_small.jpg

Hee hee!


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#16 2007-12-17 3:00 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Malkin wrote:

Once when I was about 16, I spun out on a patch of ice on a curvy road.  I remember watching a mailbox pass right in front of my bumper as we spun around several times.

Fortunately, there wasn't much else to hit and we stayed on the road anyway.  I think that now, as a more experienced driver, I would have been able to avoid it.

But yeah- front-wheel or 4-wheel drive only.  People who own rear-wheel drive around here are nuts.

You mean you don't enjoy counter-steering?

Seriously - after our last big dump of snow, seemed like I couldn't get around a corner without my car deciding to travel a different way than it was pointing.

Fishtailing ftw.


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#17 2007-12-17 3:04 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I got turned around 180 degrees once and it wasn't snowing or raining or anything. Only thing I can figure is that there must have been oil or some other slippery substance on the road because I did what you're supposed to do (turn the steering opposite of the direction of the spin) but I got turned around anyway. Fortunately I wasn't going too fast and was already braking to stop for red light. Very disconcerting looking at the driver of the car approaching me from "behind."


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#18 2007-12-17 3:11 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

dvpierce wrote:

You mean you don't enjoy counter-steering?

I don't even know how rear-wheel drive vehicles make it up the hills here in the winter.

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#19 2007-12-17 3:30 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Oh, pleeeze!  Rear wheel drive vehicles were in the good ol' US of A long before the new fangled front wheel drive vehicles. 

One just throws a couple hundred pounds of sand bags in the trunk over the rear wheels of course.  I got through a few northern winters that way without even using snow tires, thank you very much.
wink

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#20 2007-12-17 3:31 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

ShnickyShnack wrote:

What, you mean this Porsche?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/ … -small.jpg

Come on, I'd never stoop so low.

I will say, however, that you selected a color that I would have gone with.

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#21 2007-12-17 4:20 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

Malkin wrote:

But yeah- front-wheel or 4-wheel drive only.  People who own rear-wheel drive around here are nuts.

I used to think that, but I've changed my tune.  Front-wheel drive gives you a false sense of security that seems to make people drive far faster than they would if they had a rear-wheel drive.  By the time you realize you're going to fast for conditions in a FWD you're usually in the ditch.

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#22 2007-12-17 4:47 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I used to like rear wheel drive. Then I bought a front wheel drive. Now I LOVE rear wheel drive. I never should have scrapped my Datsun 200SX. That thing hung on better in snow than my VW Golf does on dry pavement. Four wheel drive is better but this front wheel drive fad can't fizzle fast enough for me. Give me a car that turns and stops and I'll put up with a little wheel spin taking off from dead stop on ice.


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#23 2007-12-17 4:50 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

In college we once did an unintentional 360 -complete with cliff drop-off on one side of road and cliff wall on other side.

It was very surreal, we were driving along (at night) and all of a sudden hit a mean patch of black ice.
We ended up going in the same direction we were headed without losing any speed.


A couple years ago I was behind a guy who did a nasty spin-out, and he slammed hard into the center barrier (and bouncing back into the middle of the highway).

I realized I was entering the icy territory he just hit, and had to move to the right lane with no time to see if anyone was there.
I was amazed that 1. I didn't hit the guy. 2. I didn't lose control on the same patch.

It was a full minute before I could catch my breath and phone in the accident. (there was no shoulder so I couldn't pull over.)


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#24 2007-12-17 4:50 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

C. Ives wrote:

Front-wheel drive gives you a false sense of security that seems to make people drive far faster than they would if they had a rear-wheel drive.  By the time you realize you're going to fast for conditions in a FWD you're usually in the ditch.

That's a problem with the driver, not the car! tongue

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#25 2007-12-17 5:01 pm

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Re: me = traumatized

I love my rear wheel drive volvo big_smile

I once nearly spun out on sand, but I just counter steered, and took off the power.

When it's really rainy here, and there is nobody going out onto this wide street from our mini-street, I like to give the volvo a bit of power, make the rear wheels spin, and do a sort of power-slide out into the street.

I love rear-wheel-drive.


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