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Because if everybody Loves Apple than that means...

aw, crud. My Grampa should've never made the RDF machine.

Warin wrote:

Why will it be a controversy?

Good press is, generally, just that... good.

So why be all crabby about it?

Because the article maliciously attempts to quantify the fraudulent claim that Apple may be less than 100% perfect. This is an obvious terrorist tactic designed to undermine, um, something, uh, ooh something shiney. . .

Pariah wrote:

Apple did well in desktops too, as did eMachines....

I agree, not a good brand to be lumped with.

Last edited by mudogramx (2007-12-23 11:30 pm)

mudogramx wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Apple did well in desktops too, as did eMachines....

I agree, not a good brand to be lumped with.

I think that brings up a rather obvious question. People are always asserting Apple's products are worth it the extra expense because they are made better but then we see the archetypical "cheap PC" brand coming in with great scores too. So clearly it's not a dollars and cents issue.
Kinda brings home my contention that it is the software that makes a Mac but you are stuck with Apple hardware to run it.

Pariah wrote:

mudogramx wrote:

Pariah wrote:

I agree, not a good brand to be lumped with.

I think that brings up a rather obvious question. People are always asserting Apple's products are worth it the extra expense because they are made better but then we see the archetypical "cheap PC" brand coming in with great scores too. So clearly it's not a dollars and cents issue.
Kinda brings home my contention that it is the software that makes a Mac but you are stuck with Apple hardware to run it.

Oh, its definitely the software in the end.  The hardware gets the oohs and ahhs, and the software keeps you buying.  Beautiful hardware combined with great software creates an experience that only Apple delivers.  You could also say that customer satisfaction with eMachines is high because they are so cheap.  The average American Joe likes cheap.  It makes him feel like he got a good deal.  They have no idea what Core Duo is, and they really have no concept of any OS beyond Windows.  Windows=computer.  Considering average joes make up the largest part of computer purchasers, eMachines has it made.

Last edited by mudogramx (2007-12-24 3:12 pm)

Mr. T wrote:

mudogramx wrote:

[The average Joe has] no idea what Core Duo is, and they really have no concept of any OS beyond Windows.

You certainly wouldn't guess that from the population of the respondents.  In terms of responses, they were number two with 4000, behind Dell.  In terms of feedback, they were second in the Home arena, right up there with Apple, and third overall; bested only by Velocity Micro and Apple (who had only 70 and 500 responses respectively).

Doh!  Yeah I guess I should have read the article more carefully rather than skimming.  Me and my generalizations ...anyway, its interesting that the magazine readers themselves have high praise for eMachines.

Last edited by mudogramx (2007-12-24 4:35 pm)

Pariah wrote:

mudogramx wrote:

Pariah wrote:

I think that brings up a rather obvious question. People are always asserting Apple's products are worth it the extra expense because they are made better but then we see the archetypical "cheap PC" brand coming in with great scores too. So clearly it's not a dollars and cents issue.
Kinda brings home my contention that it is the software that makes a Mac but you are stuck with Apple hardware to run it.

Oh, its definitely the software in the end.  The hardware gets the oohs and ahhs, and the software keeps you buying.  Beautiful hardware combined with great software creates an experience that only Apple delivers.  You could also say that customer satisfaction with eMachines is high because they are so cheap.  The average American Joe likes cheap.  It makes him feel like he got a good deal.  They have no idea what Core Duo is, and they really have no concept of any OS beyond Windows.  Windows=computer.  Considering average joes make up the largest part of computer purchasers, eMachines has it made.

The "average joe" does not read computer magazines. Or at least not the stereotypical moron you are describing. eMachines gets good rankings because they deliver a very high value to cost product. Last year my wife needed a PC to run her school software on, PC only stuff. I looked at the choices available and ended up just walking into Wal-Mart and grabbing an eMachine off the shelf for $325.
3ghz Pentium D, 120gig HDD, 512meg of ram, DVD/CD burner. Spent another $25 or so on another 512 stick and for about $350 I got a computer that will be fast enough for her office apps for years. Plus it has an open full length PCIe slot and 2 open pci slots just in case. The only real concession to it's super cheapness is it only has two ram slots, but short cuts like only two ram slots are what cheap PC makers do to save money.
Well...cheap PC makers and Apple.

You can't argue with a price like that.  Those specs blow away a mini in every respect aside from the processor.

ScifiterX wrote:

Actually the Mini had equal RAM until 3 months ago, now it has more. On the current Mini models it only has inferior drive space and burner type on the low end model. As far as graphics go I say considering it an eMachine, it's likely the same basic graphics card but there's an option to upgrade it using the PCIe slot if you are willing to tinker with the BIOs.

And then theres always the aspect of dealing with Windows.  The luxury tax for a better looking machine and OS X is worth it IMHO.  You can't forget iLife either.  At those prices expandability shouldn't be an issue.  I'm glad that Apple is getting recognition that they deserve.  I think the PC world has always admired from afar, but now they are finally admitting it.

Last edited by mudogramx (2007-12-24 6:29 pm)

More so than any Vista Home Basic PC warrants a sin tax.

I think hes referring to disabling the onboard videocard through the BIOS before installing a new one.

Its fairly simple.  You want OS X, get a Mac.  Apple has to have a selling point for their hardware.  Considering that everyone besides a select few uses x86 architecture, you have to differentiate yourself.  Apple makes beautiful, reliable machines, and OS X is easily the best OS on the market.  You want to use it, you have to play by their rules.  If Apple didn't sell hardware there would be no OS X.  You also have to factor in how long Macs remain usable compared to their PC counterparts.  I have a 7 year old laptop that runs Tiger quite well considering.  Put a 7 year old PC in its place and try to run Vista.  Plus, the industry drives the market, not the small percentage of hobbyists who continually poo poo everything Apple does because they didn't make a machine specifically for them.  This plan is obviously working for them, so more power to them.  Besides, hobbyists always have OS x86 if they must have their cake and eat it too.  Although I'm sure you've heard these arguments a thousand times, they seem pretty sound.  This is a Mac love thread! 

Last edited by mudogramx (2007-12-24 11:58 pm)

Mr. T wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

mudogramx wrote:

I think hes referring to disabling the onboard videocard through the BIOS before installing a new one.

Damn straight. Seems to be required a lot more when the manufacturers use cheap motherboards.

I had a cheap-ass GMA900 mobo ($50 newegg), and I didn't have to change anything in the BIOS.  Of course, there probably are some mobos that require manually enabling the card, but so what?  That's not a "touche" point.

Ya, that the process may, in some instances, be somewhat technical is hardly worse than not being able to do it at all.
There is even an invented word the Jobs worshipers over at ARS are using now: Complexification. Which is their way of saying AIOs are better because of all the things you can't do with them.
Funny stuff really.

Last edited by Pariah (2007-12-25 12:56 pm)