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#1 2008-01-03 4:32 am
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Another gaffe from Huckabee
Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas today professed his support for the striking television writers union just a few hours before he was expected to board a plane for a taping of the Jay Leno show where he will face a vocal picket line of striking writers.
Mr. Leno’s program is returning to the air for the first time since a long hiatus for the strike. Speaking to reporters, Mr. Huckabee said he was unaware that he would be crossing picket lines and believed that the program had reached a special agreement with the union.
First the ignorance of the NIE on Iran, the flubs regarding Pakistan, and now this?
Is anyone beginning to hope that Huckabee does get the nomination? He's doesn't appear to be ready for prime time....
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#2 2008-01-03 4:49 am
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
A gaffe? Why would Republicans give a smurf about crossing a picket line? Look at who they appoint to the National Labor Relations Board. They've made union busting a national pastime over the last 30 years.
What's truly shocking is that Huckabee openly stated he supports the strike. No wonder why Republican elites despise him.
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#3 2008-01-03 4:57 am
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
I'm talking more of his suggestion that he wasn't aware the show's writers were still on strike...
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#4 2008-01-03 7:45 am
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As far as I understood, the program HAS reached a special agreement with the union. Isn't Robin Williams, a member of the SAG, going to be doing the show soon too?
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#5 2008-01-03 7:49 am
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
Bush league.
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#6 2008-01-03 8:41 am
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oatmeal wrote:
As far as I understood, the program HAS reached a special agreement with the union. Isn't Robin Williams, a member of the SAG, going to be doing the show soon too?
Leno is a union member himself.
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#7 2008-01-03 9:06 am
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Back before Bill, UMass/Amherst held a writer's conference. Panels had people like Tracy - 'Soul of A New Machine' - Kidder. I asked specifically about copyright in the digital world and was met with blank gazes and 'We're writers, not lawyers.'
At least the question is still open and in flux.
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#8 2008-01-03 2:20 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
oatmeal wrote:
As far as I understood, the program HAS reached a special agreement with the union. Isn't Robin Williams, a member of the SAG, going to be doing the show soon too?
Letterman did, but not Leno. Robin Williams was on Letterman last night.
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#9 2008-01-03 2:22 pm
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Why does this seem like a completely non issue to me?
I don't care if he blundered this 100%.
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#10 2008-01-03 2:24 pm
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It's an issue because it's part of a pattern where he tries to make campaign issues of things he doesn't know jack about. He made it an issue, then smurfed it up.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#11 2008-01-03 2:31 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
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Why does this seem like a completely non issue to me?
I don't care if he blundered this 100%.
There's a pattern. Huckabee hadn't heard about the NIE on Iran? Oh, he concocts a confusing (and false) time-line to attempt to explain why he shouldn't have heard of it yet. The union requests that Huckabee not cross the picket line to appear on this show, but Huck still tells the media that he was blissfully unaware of the show's status with the union.
I'm not sure what his excuse was for not knowing simple facts about Pakistan, or suggesting that in response to Benazir Bhutto's assassination the US needs to crack down on immigration from Pakistan.
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#12 2008-01-03 2:34 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
Oh, I forgot the greatest thing he did this week: Presented a "negative campaign ad" against Romney to the press, vowing never to run it.
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#13 2008-01-03 2:51 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
He's a buffoon.
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He'll fit right in.
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#14 2008-01-03 3:24 pm
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I think you're grasping at straws.
I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.
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#15 2008-01-03 3:27 pm
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Great way to dismiss all the arguments without addressing any of them, and making your own unsubstantiated one at the same time.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#16 2008-01-03 3:28 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
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I think you're grasping at straws.
What a curious non-response. Of course, you've already demonstrated that you don't mind being lied to by this individual.
I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.

On the contrary, I hope he gets the nomination.
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#17 2008-01-03 3:28 pm
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#18 2008-01-03 3:33 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
Mike Huckabee says he has no idea how the attack ad he has disavowed got out and is now being played all over the Internet and on cable TV.
Huckabee, who will cap his Iowa campaign with an appearance tonight on Jay Leno's show, says he pulled the ad attacking rival Mitt Romney at the last minute because he decided to "change the tone," to "not run a negative campaign" unlike the one he says Romney is running against him.
Huckabee took some heat, however, for first disavowing his own attack ad — and then showing it to reporters.
"If I hadn't done it, the same media would have said, 'Oh, you don't have one [a negative ad],' and we didn't give them DVDs. … We said, no, we're not going to do that."
Over the last week, the former Arkansas governor has been firing flashbulbs through that firmament. After the death of Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto, Huckabee appeared to misrepresent the state of martial law in her country. (It has been officially lifted, though he disputed the point.) He mistakenly said Pakistan shares its eastern border with Afghanistan. (It is the western border.) He said he had "spoken" with former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton about policy. (He had only emailed with him.) He said he extended his "apologies" to the Pakistani people. (He meant to say "sympathies.") Then, to top it all off, while calling for stricter border security in order to keep any Pakistani terrorists from coming into the U.S., he seriously overstated the number of illegal Pakistani immigrants in the country.
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#19 2008-01-03 3:34 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
We begin 2008 with Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and his sermon on the First Rule of Holes: When you're in one, stop digging.
If your memory can take you way back to 2007, you'll recall that Huckabee was asked on the night of Dec. 4 about the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. The NIE had dominated the news for roughly 36 hours at that point, but Huckabee said he'd never heard of it.
Reporter: Have you been briefed or been able to take a look at it?
Huckabee: No.
Reporter: Have you heard of the finding?
Huckabee: No.
That was bad, but it wasn't entirely inexcusable, at least on Huckabee's part. His staff should have made sure he was briefed on the NIE, and that it didn't said more about the state of Huckabee's campaign than about the state of his knowledge of or interest in foreign affairs.
Or so we were inclined to think until we read what Huckabee told former Salon staffer Michael Scherer Saturday. In an interview with Scherer for Time, Huckabee claimed, falsely, that the NIE had come out the same day that he was first asked about it and declared that he thought it was "a little bit ridiculous to talk about it."
"A little bit ridiculous"? In expressing a high degree of confidence that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, the NIE single-handedly changed the national debate most of us had been having about the prospect of war with Iran. If it's "a little bit ridiculous" to talk about that, what does Huckabee think would have been a not-so-ridiculous subject for discussion?
The Quad-City Times, coming to us via Think Progress, offers a clue. When the paper asked Huckabee Monday about his earlier lack of knowledge about the NIE, he made a joke about George W. Bush's lack of knowledge about intelligence, then said that the reporter who asked him about the report back in December was guilty of launching "an ambush question," then repeated his mischaracterization of the NIE-to-question timeline, then said this:
"The point I'm trying to make is that, on the campaign trail, nobody's going to be able, if they've been campaigning as hard as we have been, to keep up with every single thing, from what happened to Britney last night to who won 'Dancing With the Stars.'"
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#20 2008-01-03 3:45 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
so is he clueless or just a bold faced liar? or some of both?
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#21 2008-01-03 4:40 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
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I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.
Despite being an ignorant religious fanatic, he's still the most reasonable Republican in the race, as far as I can tell.
I'd much rather have an actual evangelical in office than another politician who just panders to evangelicals to get the votes to pass an unpopular economic agenda.
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#22 2008-01-03 4:45 pm
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Huckabee took some heat, however, for first disavowing his own attack ad — and then showing it to reporters.
"If I hadn't done it, the same media would have said, 'Oh, you don't have one [a negative ad],' and we didn't give them DVDs. … We said, no, we're not going to do that."
That's a sad trick, but the fact that the media played into the trick makes them more guilty, in my mind.
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#23 2008-01-03 4:47 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
resedit wrote:
I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.
As has been stated or alluded to, he may have a good chance at getting the Republican nomination, but I really don't see him doing well in the general.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#24 2008-01-03 4:56 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
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resedit wrote:
I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.
As has been stated or alluded to, he may have a good chance at getting the Republican nomination, but I really don't see him doing well in the general.
Meh, I wouldn't count out a smooth talking Southern preacher in a presidential race.
His constant gaffes might hurt him, but the media might give him a pass like they did Bush. Remember when he attacked Gore for trying to "turn" Social Security into a federal program? I mean, it's only the biggest government program we have, one that he specifically targeted for privatization. Why should he know even the most basic facts about it?
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#25 2008-01-03 5:17 pm
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Re: Another gaffe from Huckabee
resedit wrote:
I think you're grasping at straws.
I think you're smurfing your pants because an Evangelical suddenly looks like he has a chance.
Given the results of our current Evangelical president and the thrust of the Evangelical political movement the last 30 years I would say any thinking person would be concerned about another from that ideology gaining office.
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