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#1 2008-01-09 1:09 pm
- LLEVIATHANN
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360/LIVE networking problem?
I'm not sure if I have a problem or not. So I'm putting this out there to see if any others have run into this or if there's a fix or if this is 'normal'.
Old 360 (my first before the RRoD) after turning on would auto load profile and then auto connect to Live. Done & ready to play. This replacement they sent auto loads the profile but will not connect to Live until I run the network test. Funny thing is I don't even have to let the test complete. Once it gets past the IP addy I can cancle out and get on. After that everything is fine.
At first I thought the 360 isn't getting an IP addy from the router (DHCP issue). So I tried a manual IP. Nope same thing. Auto or man I still have to run a partial network test before I can connect to Live.
Anyone else seen this? Half temped to call M$ back, report the problem & demand a re-replacement since I'm not happy with this extra step I have to do to connect. I'm also pissed that I now have to be online in order to play downloads I've paid for. Part of M$ anti-piracy is that it gets locked into the hardware. Well I no longer have my original hardware. Because of this I'm also wondering if my profile isn't hardware locked too which might account for the trouble.
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#2 2008-01-09 1:40 pm
- LLEVIATHANN
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Well I'm not too nuts, nor alone:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=559229
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#3 2008-01-09 1:43 pm
- Earendil the Mariner
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
I'm getting the same thing, but it was my understanding that it was linked to those other problems with Live itself.

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#4 2008-01-09 3:28 pm
- Bat
- Blames it on Canada (Blackhawks! W00ts!!)
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
I hit on that measure myself, too, but it's intermittent. It's been getting better, but sometimes recently it would be fine, sometimes I could connect only after testing; sometimes I couldn't connect.
My box is not set to log in on startup, tho. Boot to Dashboard, show available profile (just the one presently), select it if I want Live, go.
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#5 2008-01-09 3:53 pm
Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
I've noticed the same problem lately -- no network connection unless I run the network test.
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#6 2008-01-10 9:26 am
- LLEVIATHANN
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Earendil the Mariner wrote:
I'm getting the same thing, but it was my understanding that it was linked to those other problems with Live itself.
But I've been having this issue since the replacement box which came in a couple weeks before Halo 3 was released. I don't think there was Live issues back then.
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#7 2008-01-10 10:53 am
Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Also, FWIW, my 360 gets online by way of a wireless bridge (Linksys WGA54G).
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#8 2008-01-12 9:25 am
- Rukh
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
. Part of M$ anti-piracy is that it gets locked into the hardware. Well I no longer have my original hardware.
There is a documented way around this, but it sounds like a pain to me.
you need to call ms support and explain that you got a replacement 360 from them, and then tell them that you want to transfer your perchases to the new box.
the downloads are technically locked to the xbox's serial number.
i've been told (by my good friend that actually works for ms's xbox support) that they will get you to create a new silver profile, and then they'll credit it with the points to get the original files or some other such voodoo. i know not as good a description as you'd like, but i haven't gone through the process myself. and he explained this to me months ago.
anyway, worth a shot.
also, i have noticed a reasonably similar networking issue with live recently. only i don't always need to launch the test. sometimes i just need to wait and it eventally logs in, first my guide indicates that it's logged in, long before the main dashboard blades finish loading. weird. but i've chalked it up to the alleged networking issues live has had recently.

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#9 2008-01-14 1:33 pm
- Bat
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Major Nelson: No More Xbox Live Updates Due To Lawsuit
In his latest Major Nelson podcast Microsoft's Larry Hryb has announced that due to a lawsuit against Microsoft he will no longer be able to give out any more updates on the status of Xbox Live. According to his statement, "I can’t say anything so I apologize, but go talk to the lawyer… That’s all I can say about that." Microsoft suffered major problems with its Xbox Live online service during the Christmas-New Year's holiday period due to far more sign ups for the service than predicted. A class-action lawsuit was filed earlier in January claiming the downtime represented a breach of contract.
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#11 2008-01-14 4:17 pm
- Bat
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?

What's the most Think Secretive company we know?
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#12 2008-01-14 4:55 pm
- LLEVIATHANN
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
On top of the problems mentioned above it took forever to log in on Friday night. So it's not just a holiday thing. The problems are persistant.
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#13 2008-01-14 7:12 pm
Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Bat wrote:
What's the most Think Secretive company we know?
Separate issue entirely.
Though since you bring it up there is a bit of a difference between no being upfront with if your service is up or down and suing a site to try to get information on who's leaking insider information. True the latter is more than a bit questionable but it is somewhat understandable. The former is not good business sense and in the context of a response to a lawsuit it comes of as petulant.
To be honest though, if I were a customer I'd more likely sue over false information or a deliberate lack of information on service status than over a service interruption and I'd still wouldn't be all that likely to sue even then.
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#14 2008-01-14 11:06 pm
- Bat
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
ScifiterX wrote:
Bat wrote:
What's the most Think Secretive company we know?Separate issue entirely.
Though since you bring it up there is a bit of a difference between no being upfront with if your service is up or down and suing a site to try to get information on who's leaking insider information. True the latter is more than a bit questionable but it is somewhat understandable. The former is not good business sense and in the context of a response to a lawsuit it comes of as petulant.
Not really. The Think Secret reference was just a reminder of the secretive nature of Apple, and the near-infamous rep of Apple Legal. MS has been fairly forthcoming about this to date, tho it's relative. They still seem puzzled about it themselves, or it would've been nailed and solved ere now. I have no doubt that the clamming up is a direct result of the suit.
I put this in the most recent thread, but perhaps it should've gone here. It's ground we've been over. FYI, XBL only went down for a few hours, once. Since then, tho, there have been lingering issues affecting different users to varying degrees.
XBL gained at least a million members, perhaps more, in December- more than a 10% increase.
I've a feeling that if, say, the iTunes store had intermittent issues, they likely wouldn't even be acknowledged, and from past history, any threads in the Apple support forums would be disappeared pronto.
To be honest though, if I were a customer I'd more likely sue over false information or a deliberate lack of information on service status than over a service interruption and I'd still wouldn't be all that likely to sue even then.
Updates have been frequent until now.
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#15 2008-01-15 12:07 am
- FutureDreamz
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
::daydreams about WiiGear::
Thanks for clicking.
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#16 2008-01-15 6:28 am
- Bat
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Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
FutureDreamz wrote:
::daydreams about WiiGear::
I think you took a wrong turn at Albequrque. Wii threads are over yonder ->.
But thanks for sharing.
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#17 2008-01-15 2:09 pm
Re: 360/LIVE networking problem?
Bat wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
Bat wrote:
What's the most Think Secretive company we know?Separate issue entirely.
Though since you bring it up there is a bit of a difference between no being upfront with if your service is up or down and suing a site to try to get information on who's leaking insider information. True the latter is more than a bit questionable but it is somewhat understandable. The former is not good business sense and in the context of a response to a lawsuit it comes of as petulant.Not really. The Think Secret reference was just a reminder of the secretive nature of Apple, and the near-infamous rep of Apple Legal. MS has been fairly forthcoming about this to date, tho it's relative. They still seem puzzled about it themselves, or it would've been nailed and solved ere now. I have no doubt that the clamming up is a direct result of the suit.
I put this in the most recent thread, but perhaps it should've gone here. It's ground we've been over. FYI, XBL only went down for a few hours, once. Since then, tho, there have been lingering issues affecting different users to varying degrees.
XBL gained at least a million members, perhaps more, in December- more than a 10% increase.
I've a feeling that if, say, the iTunes store had intermittent issues, they likely wouldn't even be acknowledged, and from past history, any threads in the Apple support forums would be disappeared pronto.To be honest though, if I were a customer I'd more likely sue over false information or a deliberate lack of information on service status than over a service interruption and I'd still wouldn't be all that likely to sue even then.
Updates have been frequent until now.
I never said the updates weren't. I was merely trying point out that it is the worst sort of overreaction one can sort of expect in their situation. Instead of going out of the way to make things seem like an aberration occur and they were going out of their way to correct it and keep their customers informed about that correction (which would be good PR and make the lawsuit look all the more frivolous), they chose to alienate the customers more willing to believe that and give the lawsuit against more ammunition.
Apple's secretive nature plays into it in no way. Sure that situation exists but it's neither here nor there as protecting IP & covering one's ass over a screw up are entirely different things.
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