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That "bitterness unprecedented" remark was over the top.
Note that I didn't quote that bit.

However, O'Reilly does have a point -

Fox has invited the liberal candidates on numerous times and they refuse, while conservative candidates have gone to the liberal networks.

What's really funny - fox has specifically invited the liberals on, the liberals refuse, and then complain about fox not being balanced. They have an opportunity to have their say and don't take it!

resedit wrote:

Fox has invited the liberal candidates on numerous times and they refuse, while conservative candidates have gone to the liberal networks.

Ha... what "liberal" networks?

None of the other networks lean left anywhere near as much as Fox leans right.

At worst, you can construe them as left-leaning, but this is a far cry from liberal.

And considering how terrible the majority of Fox's commentators are, compared to the other networks, I'm not really surprised politicians don't want to appear. I'm especially not surprised Obama's staffers snubbed Fox, considering Fox made up a bunch of BS about him being an American-hating muslim terrorist ( http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa ).

....and one needs only check the website of O'Reilly's mortal enemy, Media Matters, to notice that they most certainly do not limit their analysis of the media to FOX News.

It demonstrates a general attitude that certainly exists among the left.
They won't go on Fox News.
Fox News has had some stories they don't like so they've taken their marbles and left.

Fox does not fabricate stories.
They give a different perspective on some stories, they report different things, but they don't fabricate stories.

resedit wrote:

Fox does not fabricate stories.

Of course they don't.

<Fox news voiceover guy>
Is Hillary Clinton the Antichrist? Find out on the next Hannity & Colmes.
Do Democrats drink the blood of Christian babies? We'll ask Susan Estrich.
Have liberals been secretly plotting with Al Qaeda to overthrow the United States government? Bill O'Reilly investigates.
</Fox news voiceover guy>

resedit wrote:

I bet those who claim that Fox makes smurf up have watched less than an hour of it last year (would have this year, but I've watched less than an hour of it this year).

Your opinions are formed based upon the select segments talked about with spin on clearly biased leftist websites.

I watched far more Fox News last year than I care to think about. The stuff gets piped in to my workplace. matt's assessment is pretty much spot-on. Like how ORLY, when things like the Imus story come around (i.e. anything involving racism), gets "the other side" represented by either a Black Panther or Black Muslim. The headline that really sticks out in my mind was "Democrats say we've lost in Iraq... Al Qaeda says U.S. winning... Who do you trust?"

resedit wrote:

I bet those who claim that Fox makes smurf up have watched less than an hour of it last year (would have this year, but I've watched less than an hour of it this year).

Your opinions are formed based upon the select segments talked about with spin on clearly biased leftist websites.

From 2000-2004, I probably watched more Fox "News" than any other channel.

I quit watching that trash in 2005, but if you'd like, I can describe the shows that aired during that time:

Hannity & Colmes, with the relatively-good-looking Sean Hannity and the looks-like-a-caricature-of-a-liberal spineless Allan Colmes, with guests Susan Estrich, that guy who used to work for the Clintons but now hates them, Oliver North, Ann Coulter, and any other big-name Republican or Democrat-whom-you've-never-heard-of in the world

Bulls & Bears, where they aired this gem:
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Your World with Neil Cavuto, which if I remember correctly was another financial show. I don't remember much about it, other than Cavuto loved to hate liberals

Judith Regan Tonight, which I think was some book discussion show(since she was a publisher). I never watched this one.

O'Reilly. Man, I disagreed with everything that he said, and I was still deluded on several issues just from the misconceptions and outright lies and fabrications this guy spewed(and likely continues to spew) to this day

Special Report with Brit Hume, which I oddly enough, don't remember feeling as entirely-Republican-biased as the others

There was a show with Tony Snow, who was such a good mouthpiece for the Bush Administration that they offered him a job as their official mouthpiece.

I think John Gibson took over Tony Snow's position(but keep in mind that I haven't watched the network once in almost three years). John Gibson was another Republican mouthpiece, who, coincidentally, I used to watch years before, when he was on MSNBC.

And no, I don't frequent "leftist websites". The news site I frequent the most is heavily-biased toward Ron Paul(who I don't want to win, but that's a different story).

res, you have no concept about that which you are arguing. Fox News makes up stories by turning them into questions and insinuating(a la the picture I posted above). I have years worth of experience watching Fox News. I am more-than-slightly-familiar with what I'm talking. And that claim of "clearly-biased leftist websites"? That sounds like something you read directly off of O'Reilly's teleprompter.

Last edited by matt (2009-07-03 2:13 am)

Is there an actual press report of this alleged hate-inspired violence against Fox?

(and, by "actual press", I mean "not Fox")

Only O'Reilly has mentioned it as far as I know.
I'm not sure Fox wants to report it. What purpose would it serve for them to do so? It's not really a news items, tire slashing rarely makes the news. Sometimes when striking union members slash the tires of scabs and management it makes local news, but rarely national.

bratboy wrote:

There's not even a FOX report, far as I can tell.

O'Reilly always did remind me of Morton Downey Jr.

after-life wrote:

resedit wrote:

Fox has invited the liberal candidates on numerous times and they refuse, while conservative candidates have gone to the liberal networks.

Yes Res, and the Catholic church does not lie to Africans about condoms.

What the hell does that have to do with thermal capacitors?

Ah, Fox News.  Is it any surprise that many Democrats won't do the show ?

They accidentally label Rep Foley as a Democrat.  They mistakenly run Sen. Obama's picture with a Osama Bin Laden story ( or was it visa versa).  They, especially O'Reilly, constantly insult and call Democrats names, just because Fox doesn't like them.  Insults that have nothing to do with policy.  Childish name-calling on a "news" station ?

I did see a piece with (I think) Speaker Pelosi...another "guest" on the show as Ann Coulter.  Of course the moderator was conservative.  Of course Ms. Coulter was spouting complete garbage, with the "moderator" just watching with a smirk.


Fox News isn't a respectable news agency.  There's only so many times they can ask liberals "have you stopped beating your wife" before you can expect liberals to quit playing along.