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sturner wrote:

I thought Terminator 3 was pretty lame.

Oh yeah...that whole 'talk to the hand' line?  Super lame.

I watched the first two episodes, and I must say that I'm impressed. Pretty good for network television. Just when I think it's too late for network TV, they surprise me.

StaticAge wrote:

I like it too. Plus, Ms Conner and the boobed robot are hot.

Yes!

Enigma wrote:

I watched the first two episodes, and I must say that I'm impressed. Pretty good for network television. Just when I think it's too late for network TV, they surprise me.

StaticAge wrote:

I like it too. Plus, Ms Conner and the boobed robot are hot.

Yes!

Prob'ly half the reason we don't have a TV is because network TV pretty much sucks. We've had several friends offer us TVs and we just don't want the piece of smurf idiot boxes taking up the room they do any more, frankly. If network or even cable TV was actually worth a smurf to begin with, we'd get ourselves a couple of TV tuners for our laptops but so far this Terminator series ... and, I guess South Park ... are the only shows I know about that I'd even watch on a regular basis so I figure I'll just fill that space with speakers or something, know what I meant?

Hell, watching Ghost Rider and Rise of the Silver Surfer at home on my computer was way better than sitting in some theater not drinking beer baby-sitting someone else's kids and so on and so forth...

I just verified it; that is my school.

StaticAge wrote:

user wrote:

No, he actually said he wouldn't have been able to proceed without a sample of the results of his own work from the future.

Oy.

Is that very different really from the fact that John Conner only exists because his future self sent a colleague back in time to conceive him?

Yes. The "go back in time to ensure your conception" is just a necessary causality thing. The "use future technology to invent future technology" is a bootstrap paradox. Specifically, where did the knowledge to create that technology come from?

Tallgeese wrote:

StaticAge wrote:

user wrote:

No, he actually said he wouldn't have been able to proceed without a sample of the results of his own work from the future.

Oy.

Is that very different really from the fact that John Conner only exists because his future self sent a colleague back in time to conceive him?

Yes. The "go back in time to ensure your conception" is just a necessary causality thing. The "use future technology to invent future technology" is a bootstrap paradox. Specifically, where did the knowledge to create that technology come from?

The way I see it, although maybe not technically an ontological paradox, its very similar to if John Conner went back in time to impregnate his mother with his own birth, but avoiding the nasty incest angle by doing this via an intermediary agent. He essentially created himself through Kyle Reese. He could not have been conceived if his future self did not already exist in the future to send back his father. His future self was used to create his future self.

Last edited by StaticAge (2008-01-15 11:27 pm)

user wrote:

Time travel stories are nuts anyway. Don't worry about the logic.

Remember, in Terminator 2, the scientist said that he based all his research to produce what eventually became Sky-Net and the Terminators on the parts left behind from the first Terminator, which is an unforgivable paradox.

That one actually makes more sense than sending your friend back to make him your father.

1. I develop technology x.
2. At some point in the future, someone time-travels back to a point before I developed said technology and leaves traces of said technology.
3. I find said traces, become fascinated therewith and develop said traces into a form similar to my original development.
4. Repeat 2-3 ad nauseam.

As for someone being the parent of someone in the past, there are a number of odd possibilities there, too.

1. My name is Kyle Reese. I am a freedom fighter for humanity, and my leader is not named John Conner.
2. I am sent back in time, and father a child named "John Conner", who now is part of the timeline, and now becomes the leader.
3. John Conner sends me back in time, knowing I will be his father.
4. Repeat 2-3 ad nauseam.

Add in the possibility that each trip to the past leaves your timeline unaffected, but instead creates a diverging timeline where x event happened, and you can forgive any paradox.

"I'm my own Grandpaw..."

Episode 1 is on iTunes for free?? Cool! I started to watch the Monday show that I recorded on the regular advertised time and found out that the first episode was on frickin Sunday (how stupid was that?) and stopped watching because it looks like I missed a lot of good smurf.

Now maybe I can catch up.

MacAddict4Life wrote:

Bat wrote:

BTW, all Firefly eps can be DLed from Xbox Live.

(Perhaps in HD- I forget offhand).

Is it free? It's free (but nowhere near HD) on Hulu. All 14 episodes, too!

Hulu, by the way, is awesome! Ok, there is a single 6-33 second ads at every point there would be commercials during a normal TV show... but it's legit and free.

No. There are free items like promos, trailers and the like (I have mostly freebies on my Box; 2 eps South Park incl. "Good Times With Weapons," surprisingly available in 720p Wide; the classic 'toon "What's Opera, Doc?" was a free promo when Warners came on board; etc). However, most TV eps and movies are $. That's the point of the service, but there are no commercials, and the TV shows are basically permanent rentals. If the machine or drive dies you can re-DL them free.

It's surprising, but even a cartoon looks much better at 1280x720 pro-scan. Then again, the Bugs toon was originally shown in theaters in '57.

Last edited by Bat (2008-01-17 10:50 am)

I liked the second episode MUCH better than the first (they toned down the dawson's creek-type of stuff), but I still can't fully accept the "beautified" characters they chose.

With respect to Terminator 3 - I like to forget that movie ever happened.
I loved T1 and T2 - so hopefully this series will make a good replacement for T3.

mo' ron wrote:

I liked the second episode MUCH better than the first

But they killed Braytac !

resedit wrote:

They should have at least dyed Sarah's hair blonde.
I've never seen Dawson's creek, so I'm not familiar with that reference.
And yes - it does sometimes get a bit damp in the cave I live in.

I've actually never seen Dawson's creek either, but based on the commercials and what other people say, taht's how I imagined it to be.