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#76 2008-01-16 9:42 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I find it fascinating that this religious rhetoric has become so accepted in American politics. There are few countries in the world where that kind of talk is a political asset.

Saudi Arabia
Iran
Syria
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#77 2008-01-16 9:43 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I find it fascinating that this religious rhetoric has become so accepted in American politics. There are few countries in the world where that kind of talk is a political asset.

And the ones in which it is are generally really, really fun countries.


The gross heathenism of civilization has generally destroyed nature, and poetry, and all that is spiritual. -John Muir-

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#78 2008-01-17 1:11 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Such treatment of the "religious right" only serves to fuel their cause.
Seriously.

Sounds nefarious.  What is that "cause," exactly?

The religious right hidden agenda is classified.
To get access to the document, you must have been baptized by dunking, have receipts demonstrating that you regularly tithe, have a gold star next to your name in the church directory for attendance, and participate in your denominations softball league.


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#79 2008-01-17 1:13 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Hank Rearden wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I find it fascinating that this religious rhetoric has become so accepted in American politics. There are few countries in the world where that kind of talk is a political asset.

And the ones in which it is are generally really, really fun countries.

It has always been a part of American Politics.
Since the invention of the camera, has there been a single president who hasn't had his picture taken outside of a church while running for office?


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#80 2008-01-17 2:13 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

resedit wrote:

The religious right hidden agenda is classified.
To get access to the document, you must have been baptized by dunking, have receipts demonstrating that you regularly tithe, have a gold star next to your name in the church directory for attendance, and participate in your denominations softball league.

I think I know a bit more about being accused of having a secret "agenda" than you do.

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#81 2008-01-17 5:12 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

resedit wrote:

Hank Rearden wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I find it fascinating that this religious rhetoric has become so accepted in American politics. There are few countries in the world where that kind of talk is a political asset.

And the ones in which it is are generally really, really fun countries.

It has always been a part of American Politics.
Since the invention of the camera, has there been a single president who hasn't had his picture taken outside of a church while running for office?

Picture outside a church=changing the constitution. roll

You fail at the equivalence game.


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#82 2008-01-17 5:18 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.


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Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#83 2008-01-17 5:21 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

btw - I agree that Huckabee had a very poor choice of words.
But the reality is there are probably very few people who will be turned off by those words who would have considered electing him president in the first place. It will however win him support in the republican primaries, something he desperately needs because McCain is going to kill him on foreign policy.

I like Mike - but that is a serious weakness, and his complete lack of experience in that area is a very valid reason for people who like him to not vote for him.


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#84 2008-01-17 5:35 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

resedit wrote:

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.

There is no imagining this-

Huckabee wants to make  certain people less than equal by the force of the highest law of our land.

This man and everyone that agrees with him must be stopped.


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#85 2008-01-17 6:14 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

How can you have softball if you kick out all the lesbians?


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#86 2008-01-17 8:06 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.

There is no imagining this-

Huckabee wants to make  certain people less than equal by the force of the highest law of our land.

This man and everyone that agrees with him must be stopped.

Well put.


I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you.  That amuses me.

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#87 2008-01-17 8:37 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

bratboy wrote:

So....good idea?  One that has any chance whatsoever of winning over those much needed "swing voters" in the middle?

bad idea.  very bad idea.


"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln

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#88 2008-01-17 9:23 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.

There is no imagining this-

Huckabee wants to make  certain people less than equal by the force of the highest law of our land.

This man and everyone that agrees with him must be stopped.

I hate it when you people make me agree with kev. tongue

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#89 2008-01-17 11:15 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.

There is no imagining this-

Huckabee wants to make  certain people less than equal by the force of the highest law of our land.

This man and everyone that agrees with him must be stopped.

out of curiosity, if Huckleberry wins the nomination, could you see yourself voting dem?


The recent medical controversy over whether vaccinations cause autism reveals a habit of human cognition—thinking anecdotally comes naturally, whereas thinking scientifically does not. -- Michael Shermer

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#90 2008-01-17 11:39 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

agedgruel wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

I didn't say they were equivalent.
You imagined that just like you imagined Huckabee wanting a Theocracy.

I was merely pointing out that religion has always been a part of our election process.

There is no imagining this-

Huckabee wants to make  certain people less than equal by the force of the highest law of our land.

This man and everyone that agrees with him must be stopped.

I hate it when you people make me agree with kev. tongue

Seconded. Dammit. wink


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#91 2008-01-17 11:45 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

v. 2.5


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#92 2008-01-17 11:58 am

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

resedit wrote:

Hank Rearden wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I find it fascinating that this religious rhetoric has become so accepted in American politics. There are few countries in the world where that kind of talk is a political asset.

And the ones in which it is are generally really, really fun countries.

It has always been a part of American Politics.
Since the invention of the camera, has there been a single president who hasn't had his picture taken outside of a church while running for office?

It has always been a part of American politics, because it has always been a part of American society.

But never has it been such a major factor in national politics. Not ever. You could have FDR and Churchill singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" as World War II raged, but it was clear they weren't trying to force a set of religious dogma on anyone.

Things have changed, religion is playing a far larger role in politics than ever before. It's grotesque. And as has been pointed out one doesn't see its equivalent outside countries like Iran.


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#93 2008-01-17 12:14 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

ShnickyShnack wrote:

But never has it been such a major factor in national politics. Not ever.

Even here, contrast JFK's 'religion speech' with Romney's of today.  Big difference.


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#94 2008-01-17 12:16 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Romney's speech was more like, "I'm sorry that all of you don't believe in the right god."


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#95 2008-01-17 12:47 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Oh good, Huckabee clarifies that he'd like to use the Constitution to stop same-sex marriage and its obvious contemporaries, man-child marriage and man-animal marriage:

QUESTIONER: Is it your goal to bring the Constitution into strict conformity with the Bible? Some people would consider that a kind of dangerous undertaking, particularly given the variety of biblical interpretations.

    HUCKABEE: Well, I don’t think that’s a radical view to say we’re going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we’re going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal. Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again. I think the radical position is to make a change in what’s been historic.

Link.

roll

Wow, what a smurfing nutcase.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#96 2008-01-17 12:54 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

I see he left the door open for man-toaster marriages, though.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#97 2008-01-17 12:55 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

JakeTheTall wrote:

I see he left the door open for man-toaster marriages, though.

Thank God! Had me worried there.


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#98 2008-01-17 1:05 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

Here's a good one from the push polls Huck has out there in South Carolina:

Respondents who say that they're supporting John McCain are told "Fact: McCain voted to allow scientific experiments to be done on unborn children."

sneaky

Link.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#99 2008-01-17 1:05 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

The religious right hidden agenda is classified.
To get access to the document, you must have been baptized by dunking, have receipts demonstrating that you regularly tithe, have a gold star next to your name in the church directory for attendance, and participate in your denominations softball league.

I think I know a bit more about being accused of having a secret "agenda" than you do.

roll

that's because your secret agenda has been repeatedly published by those determined to stamp out non-hetrosexuals. Where they got that agenda is a secret.


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#100 2008-01-17 1:08 pm

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Re: Huckabee: ‘amend the Constitution’ to ‘God’s standards.’

JakeTheTall wrote:

I see he left the door open for man-toaster marriages, though.

thank god! where would we be without that!


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