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#1 2008-01-21 2:13 pm

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MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I know that a lot of noise has been made about the lack of an easily removable battery in the MacBook Air. Comparisons have been made to the iPhone, etc. Other people have said that they won't be able to use the laptop on cross country flights. What I want to know is, is this really as much of a problem as some people are making it out to be.

First let's start with the facts:

1) The battery in the MacBook Air falls somewhere in between that of a MB and an iPhone. It is not swappable like the MB battery but it is not soldered to the board like the iPhone battery. You will be able to change the battery yourself by using a #0 phillips screwdriver:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/18/mac … t-trivial/

2) EDITED NOTE: It turns out that I had heard an incorrect report and the battery rules apply to CHECKED baggage, not carry-on. I'm adding this because a lot of people are replying without reading further where this has been corrected. END EDITED NOTE
Is the cross country flights extra power really an issue? I say that it is not because the FAA has just instituted new rules that state you are no longer allowed to carry extra lithium ion batteries on board with you. You have to leave them in your checked baggage. Therefore, no one is going to have extra batteries, regardless of the type of laptop they are using. Personally, I have still only used the original battery in both my PowerBook 12" (4 years old) and my MBP (1 year old). I've only removed them to add memory, which you can't do in the MBA anyway wink

One thing that I would like to see is Apple license the magsafe technology. Then we could see products like this:
http://fastmac.com/iv.php

or this:
http://www.igo.com/default.asp

It bothers me a bit that I can only buy a power adapter from Apple and they only sell home and airplane adapters. Besides, I tend to have a few electronics devices when I travel and the iGo makes it nice to only have to carry one power supply for them all.

What do you think?

Frank

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#2 2008-01-21 2:34 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

There's also this option for cross country flights. However the lack of third party and car adaptors is a bit of a pain.

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#3 2008-01-21 2:36 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

If your plane has outlets by the seats.


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#4 2008-01-21 2:38 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

Tallgeese wrote:

If your plane has outlets by the seats.

True but that's is far more common than it used to be.

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#5 2008-01-21 3:07 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

ScifiterX wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

If your plane has outlets by the seats.

True but that's is far more common than it used to be.

Which is what I was talking about when I mentioned this: "It bothers me a bit that I can only buy a power adapter from Apple and they only sell home and airplane adapters."

Besides, that statement of yours is a very qualified statement. Since it used to be zero then having the power adapters on 5 planes would be far more common than it used to be. I guess I'm a little bitter about this since I just flew to Europe over the holidays and according to http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/US_Air … s_A330.php
my seat was supposed to have power. It did not, on the flight over or the flight back. So as I said, far more common definitely needs to be qualified.

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#6 2008-01-21 3:25 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

Indeed the problem there being the airline tendency to not replace or retrofit aircraft as often as they are supposed to. Lord knows if they at least replaced them as often as they were supposed to for structural safety reasons, then they'd probably all have the proper plugs by now.

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#7 2008-01-21 3:28 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

ScifiterX wrote:

Indeed the problem there being the airline tendency to not replace or retrofit aircraft as often as they are supposed to. Lord knows if they at least replaced them as often as they were supposed to for structural safety reasons, then they probably all have the proper plug by now.

If it was business class then that would be a different story. In fact, the airline that I flew was advertising their new features in business class and one of them was real outlets.

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#8 2008-01-21 3:36 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

Of course, even on the times people use discounted business class the airlines make far more money from it due to repeat usage. Skimping there has a far greater impact on profitability.

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#9 2008-01-21 3:38 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I think the battery life issue depends on how close it is to Apple's claims.  If you can hit Apple's claimed life with reasonable usage, then I don't think battery life is a huge problem, if they fall too much short of claimed life, then I wouldn't be happy.

I am kind of strange in that I have zero issues with iPod batteries being what they are, but with a laptop, I would prefer to be able to connect a spare battery.


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#10 2008-01-21 3:51 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

volk wrote:

I think the battery life issue depends on how close it is to Apple's claims.  If you can hit Apple's claimed life with reasonable usage, then I don't think battery life is a huge problem, if they fall too much short of claimed life, then I wouldn't be happy.

I am kind of strange in that I have zero issues with iPod batteries being what they are, but with a laptop, I would prefer to be able to connect a spare battery.

Do you mind if I ask how you use your laptop when you actually need a second battery?

I think that there are definitely people that have a need for more than one battery. I also think that those people are a minority and I further think that if you are carrying around spare batteries, etc. then you probably aren't the target market for a 3 lb. laptop. I'm not currently the target market because I made a decision one year ago that my laptop was going to be my only machine, my workhorse, and so I bought the 17" MBP. The Air IS the perfect machine for my wife and she would not have a need for the spare battery. Sure, she likes to sit on the couch on a lazy Sunday afternoon surfing the web while football is on but she is close enough to an outlet if she is surfing for more than 4 hours wink

Now, if I only had $1799 in the couch cushions...

Either that or I'll just wait for this stimulus package to make it's way through Congress. LOL

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#11 2008-01-21 4:07 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

You can carry spare batteries with you, but are limited as to how many and how they're packaged. For cross-country flights, you're not going to have more than about five hours of use time anyway, considering you can't use it until after cruising altitude has been reached. Five hours should be plenty for SFO-JFK. Find an outlet in the terminal.

It really depends on how long you need to work untethered. I've only used the included battery in my MB, but I'm rarely at a place where I can't plug it in. So it wouldn't be much of an issue for me personally.


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#12 2008-01-21 4:38 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

robco wrote:

You can carry spare batteries with you, but are limited as to how many and how they're packaged. For cross-country flights, you're not going to have more than about five hours of use time anyway, considering you can't use it until after cruising altitude has been reached. Five hours should be plenty for SFO-JFK. Find an outlet in the terminal.

It really depends on how long you need to work untethered. I've only used the included battery in my MB, but I'm rarely at a place where I can't plug it in. So it wouldn't be much of an issue for me personally.

That is very interesting and another example of how the media messes things up. I really can't stand when they "report" on things that they have no knowledge about. When I saw this report at the beginning of the month CNN stated that lithium batteries would no longer be allowed to be carried onto the plane, that they would have to be checked. In fact, the opposite is true:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/hea … teries.pdf

In fact, CNN really screwed up by showing a video while they were talking about the story that showed only alkaline and Ni-MH batteries. They spent most of their time correcting that mistake so in the end they left the viewer with muddled information. You would think they could give you accurate information on this since they must have a ton of people working for them that travel and have to abide by these regulations on a daily basis.

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#13 2008-01-21 4:56 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I wonder how expensive a laptop case with a built in battery would cost?


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#14 2008-01-21 5:08 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I could see a slim external battery for the MBA, the only problem is that Uncle Steve needs to license MagSafe in order for that to happen.


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#15 2008-01-21 5:25 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

Do we know why Mag Safe hasn't been licensed yet?

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#16 2008-01-21 5:29 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I don't see Steve  being too fond of licensing much of anything that Apple has come up with....

In fact, I think there is a better chance that one of us gets a job at Apple and tell them what to make.

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#17 2008-01-21 5:45 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

pkmgarf wrote:

I don't see Steve  being too fond of licensing much of anything that Apple has come up with....

In fact, I think there is a better chance that one of us gets a job at Apple and tell them what to make.

Yeah, but it just seems inevitable that it will be eventually licensed.  I'm sure they make a pile of loot off iPod accessories.

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#18 2008-01-21 6:33 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

i personally was hoping for at least 6 hours of life out of the MBA

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#19 2008-01-21 6:38 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

thelegendofjohn wrote:

Do we know why Mag Safe hasn't been licensed yet?

No, this really boggles my mind. I mean they had no problem licensing the iPod connector in order for people to make accessories for that. I really can't understand why they haven't licensed this connector yet. I'm sure that Kensington, iGo, and others would jump at the opportunity to make adapters for the MacBook line.

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#20 2008-01-21 6:39 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

twood3 wrote:

i personally was hoping for at least 6 hours of life out of the MBA

That would have been an incredible feat of engineering as slim as that thing is. The battery must be pretty slim as well.


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#21 2008-01-21 6:44 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

They recently have made advances that may boost the storage capacity while maintaining and even shrinking battery volume but considering how recently I'd not be surprised if testing was incomplete or it's initial cost is prohibitive.

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#22 2008-01-21 7:00 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

frankly wrote:

volk wrote:

I think the battery life issue depends on how close it is to Apple's claims.  If you can hit Apple's claimed life with reasonable usage, then I don't think battery life is a huge problem, if they fall too much short of claimed life, then I wouldn't be happy.

I am kind of strange in that I have zero issues with iPod batteries being what they are, but with a laptop, I would prefer to be able to connect a spare battery.

Do you mind if I ask how you use your laptop when you actually need a second battery?

I think that there are definitely people that have a need for more than one battery. I also think that those people are a minority and I further think that if you are carrying around spare batteries, etc. then you probably aren't the target market for a 3 lb. laptop. I'm not currently the target market because I made a decision one year ago that my laptop was going to be my only machine, my workhorse, and so I bought the 17" MBP. The Air IS the perfect machine for my wife and she would not have a need for the spare battery. Sure, she likes to sit on the couch on a lazy Sunday afternoon surfing the web while football is on but she is close enough to an outlet if she is surfing for more than 4 hours wink

Now, if I only had $1799 in the couch cushions...

Either that or I'll just wait for this stimulus package to make it's way through Congress. LOL

Frank

I would use it primarily for audio work with some movie watching thrown in as well.  If I could get 5 hours of life out of the battery while doing those types of things, I would be thrilled.  My problem with battery life claims is that they are rarely ever true, or if they can be acheived, it is at minumum settings, making the user experience pretty horrific.  I could easily see the one battery being an issue for long distance travelers.

This laptop definitely is not targeted to me, but I see it more as a grown up iPod Touch than a workstation.  It's more like a desktop extension...which is why I think Apple could do some cool things with syncing and Back to My Mac with it.


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#23 2008-01-21 8:13 pm

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

volk wrote:

I would use it primarily for audio work with some movie watching thrown in as well.  If I could get 5 hours of life out of the battery while doing those types of things, I would be thrilled.  My problem with battery life claims is that they are rarely ever true, or if they can be acheived, it is at minumum settings, making the user experience pretty horrific.  I could easily see the one battery being an issue for long distance travelers.

This laptop definitely is not targeted to me, but I see it more as a grown up iPod Touch than a workstation.  It's more like a desktop extension...which is why I think Apple could do some cool things with syncing and Back to My Mac with it.

My question was actually targeting what environment that you use the laptop in that you would not have access to power for a period of time exceeding the internal battery.

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#24 2008-01-22 3:23 am

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

I say no. The only time my battery got taken out of my MacBook was when it failed. (NB the MacBook Air can have it replaced easily in the event of failure)


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#25 2008-01-22 3:25 am

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Re: MacBook Air: is the battery really an issue?

frankly wrote:

First let's start with the facts:

1) The battery in the MacBook Air falls somewhere in between that of a MB and an iPhone. It is not swappable like the MB battery but it is not soldered to the board like the iPhone battery. You will be able to change the battery yourself by using a #0 phillips screwdriver:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/18/mac … t-trivial/

That's a comfort to someone worried about their laptop becoming an $1800 paperweight when the battery wears out (refuses to hold recharges), but it doesn't help travelers who want to carry a charged spare.

frankly wrote:

2) Is the cross country flights extra power really an issue? I say that it is not because the FAA has just instituted new rules that state you are no longer allowed to carry extra lithium ion batteries on board with you. You have to leave them in your checked baggage. Therefore, no one is going to have extra batteries, regardless of the type of laptop they are using.

There are new FAA rules on lithium ion batteries, but you've got it the wrong way around.  The FAA doesn't want loose batteries in checked luggage, because if those batteries catch fire, nobody onboard will be able to get to the fires to put them out!  (I believe your checked luggage can still contain lithium ion batteries that are installed in turned-off equipment, but double-check the FAA site before packing your suitcase.)

Carry-on batteries are OK, within certain size and quantity limits.  They do want you to place loose lithium ion batteries in their original packaging or in plastic bags -- again, to reduce the chances of a fire (caused by accidental shorting of battery terminals).  And I believe that large, external notebook batteries pack enough power to fall under stricter limits/rules.

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