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#1 2008-01-29 3:28 am
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Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/24/mac … e-arrived/
Gizmodo, Engadget, and Macworld have them.
Is MacLife not special enough to get one? Even...PC Mag has one!
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#3 2008-01-29 9:12 am
Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
ScifiterX wrote:
Man Apple screwed the pooch there:
- Wireless Remote disk details: can't play DVD media, can't burn a CD, can't listen to a music CD
... is it just me, of do those just seem like really dumb concerns?
i can't honestly imagine myself doing any of those things you listed (or gizmodo listed) wirelessly, especially not watch a DVD. is this just nit-picking or valid concerns?
suck it, trebek.
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#4 2008-01-29 9:25 am
Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
You can't imaging burning a disk?
Am I the only person here who backs stuff up to optical disk as well as a hard drive and doesn't have the cash to hand out free flash drives?
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#5 2008-01-29 9:37 am
Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
If it helps I thought the Magsafe & USB adapter for the third party modem were a little whiney myself. Of course the old style MagSafe plug wont work right in a configuration it wasn't designed for. As long the one that comes with it works right in the MBA, it's a non issue. Considering the new on works fine in the old sockets its not even what I'd consider a significant alteration.
And when hasn't there been a 3rd party USB device that didn't need an adaptor of some sort to fit in tight or limited ports.
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#6 2008-01-29 9:46 am
Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
Just further proof to me that the Macbook Air is a desktop extension, not a desktop replacement. This machine is more like an extended functionality iPod than an actual computer and will require users to be very savvy about syncing and any media content they intend to use. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but anyone buying this as a primary machine are bound to be frustrated rather quickly.
If I were Apple, I would be really working on .Mac right now...there is certainly alot of potential there with a device like the Macbook Air.
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#7 2008-01-29 9:47 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
How to burn a disc. Step one, transfer files from macbook air to computer with optical drive over network. Step two, burn disk.
You were going to transfer the files over the network anyway, this way just ensures you don't get buffer underruns.
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#8 2008-01-29 9:56 am
Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
NAG wrote:
How to burn a disc. Step one, transfer files from macbook air to computer with optical drive over network. Step two, burn disk.
You were going to transfer the files over the network anyway, this way just ensures you don't get buffer underruns.
2 problems with that...
1. Geek factor. While doable, it does require a certain amount of geek thought and effort.
2. Transfer speeds. If you have a movie, significant music library, or any large files to move to or from an optical, prepare for a pretty long wait.
While these hurdles are easily overcome by anyone with at least a little savvy, I can easily see lots of neophytes buying the Macbook Air because of its form factor and getting frustrated very quickly.
I really hope reps at the Apple Store take care who they sell this device to.
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#9 2008-01-29 10:20 am
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ScifiterX wrote:
You can't imaging burning a disk?
not "over the air" as it were.
i agree with Volk's notion regarding .Mac. there is a ton of potential there, and if nothing else, there's not really been anything in the way of new, cool stuff with .Mac.
like widgets.
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suck it, trebek.
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#10 2008-01-29 10:36 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
ScifiterX wrote:
You can't imaging burning a disk?
Am I the only person here who backs stuff up to optical disk as well as a hard drive and doesn't have the cash to hand out free flash drives?
Nope I'm with you man. I backup to a server with SCSI RAID and also backup to DVD media. I don't trust anything to chance.

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#11 2008-01-29 10:44 am
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i guess i should start doing that. my dad was amazed i wasn't already.
how often do y'all back up to DVD? and how many discs do you use? re-writeable?
(ok, back on topic, sorry)
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#12 2008-01-29 11:40 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
volk wrote:
Just further proof to me that the Macbook Air is a desktop extension, not a desktop replacement. This machine is more like an extended functionality iPod than an actual computer and will require users to be very savvy about syncing and any media content they intend to use. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but anyone buying this as a primary machine are bound to be frustrated rather quickly.
If I were Apple, I would be really working on .Mac right now...there is certainly alot of potential there with a device like the Macbook Air.
DukeofNuke wrote:
Just make, like, an 8x10 iPhone. A little flip down cover over the screen that has a touch sensitive keyboard. Enough flash memory to hold what you would have on an iPod, + the OS and some pared down apps like Mail and iWork.
It would still be more of a big PDA than a computer if you had to rely on a "mothership" desktop.
and
Well, regardless of the lack of optical, "The New Apple Laptop" needs to be in the $500 price range.
I mean, if it's just gonna be a big iPod for accessing my data stored on .mac, and needs a mothership or a dock for full functionality, I sure don't want to pay $1999 for it.
http://www.maclife.com/forums/topic/103084/2
Anyway, I can see lots of uses for it. Like, accessing a patients chart from the bedside, or looking at files on a server.
But if I was a Road Warrior, I wouldn't want one, regardless of how many dodads you can buy to create compatability (just more things to carry and lose), cause you never know what you're gonna run into on the road.
It still seems to be a "computer extension" to me.
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#13 2008-01-29 1:21 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
volk wrote:
NAG wrote:
How to burn a disc. Step one, transfer files from macbook air to computer with optical drive over network. Step two, burn disk.
You were going to transfer the files over the network anyway, this way just ensures you don't get buffer underruns.2 problems with that...
1. Geek factor. While doable, it does require a certain amount of geek thought and effort.
2. Transfer speeds. If you have a movie, significant music library, or any large files to move to or from an optical, prepare for a pretty long wait.
While these hurdles are easily overcome by anyone with at least a little savvy, I can easily see lots of neophytes buying the Macbook Air because of its form factor and getting frustrated very quickly.
I really hope reps at the Apple Store take care who they sell this device to.
10.5 makes it much easier to set up a home network. If you're even half aware of how to use a computer you'll be able to share files over the network with two 10.5 machines. Yes, I know the speed isn't great but that is the way it works. If you're going to be burning lots of optical media just buy the external super drive for $99. It isn't that expensive. So stop complaining that it doesn't come with an optical drive, not everyone needs one. Your needs ≠ everyone's needs.
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#14 2008-01-29 1:22 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
I bought a Macbook Air and I never see using optical media with it other than to install apps, but I could use ISOs as well. But, as many people have said I'm using it as a mobile extension of my Mac Pro.
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#15 2008-01-29 2:11 pm
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NAG wrote:
volk wrote:
NAG wrote:
How to burn a disc. Step one, transfer files from macbook air to computer with optical drive over network. Step two, burn disk.
You were going to transfer the files over the network anyway, this way just ensures you don't get buffer underruns.2 problems with that...
1. Geek factor. While doable, it does require a certain amount of geek thought and effort.
2. Transfer speeds. If you have a movie, significant music library, or any large files to move to or from an optical, prepare for a pretty long wait.
While these hurdles are easily overcome by anyone with at least a little savvy, I can easily see lots of neophytes buying the Macbook Air because of its form factor and getting frustrated very quickly.
I really hope reps at the Apple Store take care who they sell this device to.10.5 makes it much easier to set up a home network. If you're even half aware of how to use a computer you'll be able to share files over the network with two 10.5 machines. Yes, I know the speed isn't great but that is the way it works. If you're going to be burning lots of optical media just buy the external super drive for $99. It isn't that expensive. So stop complaining that it doesn't come with an optical drive, not everyone needs one. Your needs ≠ everyone's needs.
You are assuming that I'm complaining. I'm not. I'm simply making observations, and my observations are that the Macbook Air is a desktop extension that shouldn't be sold as a primary machine, especially to a neophite. I do feel that the DVD sharing function is limited, and I think that could pose problems for the demo I just addressed.
I have no interest in the product, save that it is a beautiful machine and opens the door for some really cool potential devices.
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#16 2008-01-29 2:18 pm
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I back up to a server with software PATA raid.
Unfortunately - my ability to burn DVDs just ceased.
I have an 8x DVD burner. The local places only sell 16x media now, and I just ran out of 8x media. I can't use that media w/o a firmware update. Firmware update has to run from Windows 2000 or Windows XP.
I asked Sony if they would kindly furnish me with a bootable flash drive image, they said no. So then I asked them to furnish me with a PC that runs Windows XP and they didn't respond. I don't get it.
I guess it's time to buy a new drive. Sucks that I have to buy a new drive over an issue of firmware.
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#17 2008-01-29 3:15 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
You can use 16x media on a 8x burner it will just be at 8x speed
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#18 2008-01-29 3:16 pm
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resedit wrote:
I back up to a server with software PATA raid.
Unfortunately - my ability to burn DVDs just ceased.
I have an 8x DVD burner. The local places only sell 16x media now, and I just ran out of 8x media. I can't use that media w/o a firmware update. Firmware update has to run from Windows 2000 or Windows XP.
I asked Sony if they would kindly furnish me with a bootable flash drive image, they said no. So then I asked them to furnish me with a PC that runs Windows XP and they didn't respond. I don't get it.
I guess it's time to buy a new drive. Sucks that I have to buy a new drive over an issue of firmware.
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#19 2008-01-29 5:34 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
Haha. How off topic this thread went!
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#20 2008-01-29 9:29 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
I believe Toast Titanium supports burning over network drives.
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#21 2008-01-29 9:31 pm
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
Using ToastAnywhere
Toast 8 Titanium's ToastAnywhere feature lets you share CD and DVD recorders over a network (or the Internet), so you can back up even if you don't have a CD or DVD recorder connected to your Mac. It's a perfect solution for small offices, schools, and home networks to share expensive resources.
Here's how it works: both the sending and receiving computers need Toast 8 Titanium installed, and the receiving computer must turn on "ToastAnywhere Recorder Sharing" in the Toast 8 Preferences to share their recorder with other Toast 8 Titanium users on the network. From there, the process is simple. As the sender, you set up the disc you want to burn in Toast just like you normally would, then select the shared recorder from the pop-up list when you click the Recorder Options button. To access a recorder on the Internet, choose "Other Shared Recorder," then enter the IP address of the remote machine (you may also need to adjust firewall and port settings). Finally, click the red Record button.
That's from Roxio's website.
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#22 2008-01-30 8:48 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
I wonder when they are going to make the MacBook version of the Air. If it's just an extension of your desktop, I'd like one for the form factor, but I'd want to get it for $1000.
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#23 2008-01-30 9:24 am
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user wrote:
I wonder when they are going to make the MacBook version of the Air. If it's just an extension of your desktop, I'd like one for the form factor, but I'd want to get it for $1000.
iPod Touch?
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#24 2008-01-30 10:08 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
dvpierce wrote:
user wrote:
I wonder when they are going to make the MacBook version of the Air. If it's just an extension of your desktop, I'd like one for the form factor, but I'd want to get it for $1000.
iPod Touch?
bump the screen size to 5 - 6 inches ... give me a folding keyboard (laptop style)... some sort of ethernet connectivity add-on ... bluetooth.. and some more apps (word, excel, ping & port sniff)
oh and the ability to save documents
and the touch would be a laptop replacement
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#25 2008-01-30 10:13 am
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Re: Macbook Air Arrives: Did MacLife not get one?
mrreet2001 wrote:
bump the screen size to 5 - 6 inches ... [etc] and the touch would be a laptop replacement
5-6 inches is a bit large for a 'Pod.'
Maybe the iSlab? 
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