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#1 2008-02-23 2:15 am
A couple snake pics
Links 'cuz they are too big and the wrath of Justine is to be ph34r3d (800x600)
My Florida King -
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … 080222.jpg
The coin is a quarter. Of all my '07 hatchlings - he's the biggest, already eating small mice. He would be eating regular mice by now, but I slowed down his feeding over winter. I didn't hatch him, I bought him. Florida kings are known for the rapid growth, especially southern florida (brooksi phase) like this guy.
He's the same age as these guys -
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … blings.jpg
The gal on the left seems to have stunted growth. She doesn't have any kinks, her poop is normal, her apetite healthy - but she just isn't growing very fast. I kind of suspect she has something wrong with her, unable to properly extract the nutrients from her food. I'm seeking advice on some snake forums - perhaps supplements would be of aide to her living a healthy life. I was planning on selling her, but I can't if she might have something wrong with her.
I'll keep her and see if I can figure out why her growth is so slow. Maybe she needs calcium supplement.
The snake next to her is typical size for the clutch - he's a male I'm keeping as a breeder in 2 to 3 years. Sorry for the poop in the pic - Cal Kings are notorious for slinging poop, and these guys live up to their breed. It's worse when they just ate, and both ate today.
Unlike the Florida king who is already eating weaned mice, these guys are on fuzzies (except for the stunted growth runt - she's still on large pinkies, too small for fuzzies).
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#2 2008-02-23 8:02 am
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Re: A couple snake pics
This is how messed up my mind is today. I read the thread title as "A couple of snack pies." ...and still clicked on the link.
Are pinkies baby mice? And fuzzies adolescent mice?
Alright, now, who wants to be transistorized?
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#3 2008-02-23 9:32 am
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Re: A couple snake pics
Oh Resedit - our corn snake is doing very well, by the way. Growing well and eats every time (7 or so days). Just moving to fuzzies.
Thanks again for the advice.
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#4 2008-02-23 10:45 am
Re: A couple snake pics
toadkiller wrote:
Oh Resedit - our corn snake is doing very well, by the way. Growing well and eats every time (7 or so days). Just moving to fuzzies.
Thanks again for the advice.
That's great to hear - here's my '07 corns (much prettier than kings)
Female Abbott's Okeetee
She's popping down two large fuzzies a feeding. I'm hoping she makes it to 36 inches by fall but I doubt it.
Okeetee's aren't a simple morph - they are the most beautiful "normal" corn, Lee Abbott selectively bred them to enhance their natural beauty - producing Okeetee's with thick distinct black borders and gorgeous red saddles in contrast to a nice orange background. I have a male Abbott's Okeetee - he's a year older, and about 3 feet long - packing down 2 adult mice a feeding. If she reaches 3 feet at the rate he did, she can breed next year - but while she's my fastest growing '07 corn - she's not growing as fast as he did. She was bred by Bayou Reptiles.
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Female Caramel
Caramel is an interesting morph - they lack red but have increased yellows. This is interesting because yellow and red are caused by the same pigment, so the gene that causes Caramel affects how the pigment is displayed. She was bred by South Mountain Reptiles.
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Female Charcoal
Charcoal is also known as AneryB - they lack the pigment that makes reds and yellows. AneryA is similar but different. AneryA still results in some yellow on the neck region, AneryB usually does not - and the AneryB have a slightly different look to them.
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Male Lavender Motley
This is my most valuable corn - he's got both the motley and lavender genes displayed. Motley affects the pattern and Lavender affects the color. No one knows for sure what causes Lavender - it is single gene, probably a type of albinism but not tyrosine negative (Amel, IE pink eyed) albinism.
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Male Amel Motley
This is one of the corns I got for free as a non feeder - he feeds well now and is my second biggest '07 corn. He also has two morph genes going on, amel (pink eyed albino) and motley. He's eventually going to live in Colorado - my niece has a garter snake their cat brought in a few years ago, her garter snake is old and won't live much longer - this guy is going to her when her garter snake passes.
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Unsexed hypo
This is also one of the non feeders I received last year - I have two others hypos and a fourth that was given to my little brother. Probably the least valuable corns I have, except they carry the lavender gene. I'm hoping one of my hypos is a female, breeding a hypo het lavender with my male lavender motley will produce a clutch that is 50% lavenders double het hypo motley and 50% normal that are tripple het lavender, motley, hypo.
I haven't sexed any of the hypos yet, since I have 3 of them, there's pretty good odds I have at least one female - so I'll just wait until they are a bit bigger before probing them.
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#5 2008-02-23 10:56 am
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Oh - the hypo het lavender I gave to my little brother is a male. He wanted a boy, I started with the best feeder of the hypos (only the best for my brother) and probed it - and it came out male, so I didn't need to probe the others (I prefer to wait until they are eating fuzzies as it is easier to probe them when they have some size - not impossible when small, just easier to wait if you are not in a rush. The hypos are from a smaller stock and aren't quite ready for fuzzies yet - they can handle peach fuzzies, but not full blown fuzzies)
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#6 2008-02-23 10:59 am
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Re: A couple snake pics
resedit wrote:
I haven't sexed any of the hypos yet, since I have 3 of them, there's pretty good odds I have at least one female - so I'll just wait until they are a bit bigger before probing them.
I just don't know what to say to an opening like that, dude. 
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#7 2008-02-23 11:01 am
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CrashingtehWarehouse wrote:
This is how messed up my mind is today. I read the thread title as "A couple of snack pies." ...and still clicked on the link.
Are pinkies baby mice? And fuzzies adolescent mice?
Yeah -
Pinkies don't have any hair yet.
Next step is peach fuzzy where they have some hair but don't have eyes open yet.
Fuzzies have quite a bit of fur and eyes open.
Hoppers (aka popcorns) are not yet fully weened but they eat kibble - they are very mobile, and hop around like mad (hence the names hoppers and popcorns)
Small adults, like what the Florida king eats, are fully weened. Often they are already sexually active, though they shouldn't be bred as small adults.
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#8 2008-02-23 11:03 am
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Duke Stratosphere wrote:
resedit wrote:
I haven't sexed any of the hypos yet, since I have 3 of them, there's pretty good odds I have at least one female - so I'll just wait until they are a bit bigger before probing them.
I just don't know what to say to an opening like that, dude.
Yeah - that kind of sounds odd ...
sexed as a past tense verb means something different in the snake world than the street world 
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#9 2008-02-23 11:17 am
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With respect to the hypo being least valuable - hypo is an extremely common morph. If I wanted to, I could go back east this summer and probably find a hypo in the wild. There are four distinct hypo genes in captive breeding - these hypos are the most common, often called HypoA. There's also lava, sunkissed, and Christmas Hypo. Lava's are gorgeous - I plan to get one. I think they turned up in Okeetee lines but no positive. Sunkissed is a hypo that did turn up in Okeetee lines (Kathy Love popped the first sunkissed out of her Okeetee stock) - and while sunkissed are beautiful, right now's not the time - as many sunkissed lines also carry the stargazing gene (a detrimental gene that causes neuroligical problems - there are some lines proven not to carry that gene, the lines proven not to carry it are expensive and won't be in about 3 years). Christmas Hypo is relatively newly identified and IMHO not that spectacular.
But my hypos are the very common TypeA hypos - the fact that they carry the lavender gene makes them a little more special, but they don't display lavender so they aren't worth much.
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#10 2008-02-23 5:32 pm
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Re: A couple snake pics
CrashingtehWarehouse wrote:
This is how messed up my mind is today. I read the thread title as "A couple of snack pies." ...and still clicked on the link.
Although I don't think Resedit would appreciate us turning his babies into some new food craze.
It's weird I know but -
I just thought of that scene from Chicken Run where the dolt husband asks his wife "What kind of pies? Apple?" and she says "No. Chicken pies!"
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#11 2008-02-24 6:55 am
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Re: A couple snake pics
Man they are so cute!
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#12 2008-02-24 7:44 pm
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Re: A couple snake pics
they kind of creep me out
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#13 2008-02-24 7:56 pm
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mo' ron wrote:
they kind of creep me out
Why?
I personally don't mind snakes, except when my life is at stake.
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#14 2008-02-24 8:01 pm
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Is this reason enough?
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … /burm4.jpg
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#15 2008-02-24 9:23 pm
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resedit wrote:
Is this reason enough?
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … /burm4.jpg
Not venomous so: So?
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#16 2008-02-24 10:05 pm
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Not venomous - he's taming up quite nicely.
It freaks a lot of people out, and it generally does draw blood.
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#17 2008-02-24 10:27 pm
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Re: A couple snake pics
resedit wrote:
Not venomous - he's taming up quite nicely.
It freaks a lot of people out, and it generally does draw blood.
Which is still better than my cat.
well, the one I wish I had, but a Lynx is a wildcat
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#18 2008-02-24 11:09 pm
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Re: A couple snake pics
Wild animals are NOT pets. Hence the "wild."
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#19 2008-02-24 11:11 pm
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Re: A couple snake pics
CrashingtehWarehouse wrote:
Wild animals are NOT pets. Hence the "wild."
hence the "wish"
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#20 2008-02-25 3:13 am
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Re: A couple snake pics
resedit wrote:
Is this reason enough?
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … /burm4.jpg
Awww! Even cuter!
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#21 2008-02-28 1:16 am
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Western hognose snakes -
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103 … oggies.jpg (800x600)
The larger one is a female, bred by a friend of mine up in Oregon.
The smaller one is a male, bred by a friend of mine in SFBA.
Both are '07 hatchings - she is so much bigger because -
A) Her mother is unusually big for hognose snakes (not a record, but close)
B) Females of this species generally are bigger
C) She hatched several months before the male
The female is feisty - strikes with frequency, but never actually bites. Good thing - they are mildly venomous (rear fanged, mild venom, no doctor visit required). That's actually typical - actual bites from these snakes are rare, they are all bluff. The male is just the sweetest thing - never strikes.
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#22 2008-02-28 2:27 pm
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I love your snake pics, but my favorite thing about the way you take them is the presence of something to give us size perspective. 
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#23 2008-02-28 8:08 pm
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Say, do you collect the venom?
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#24 2008-02-28 9:38 pm
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Given the chance, would she eat him?
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#25 2008-02-28 9:43 pm
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The venom isn't worth collecting - they aren't a dangerous snake.
She probably would not eat him, but there's no point in taking that risk. I've never heard of cannibalism in hognose, but they do eat lizards in the wild, so why take the risk when he is so small?
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