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#1 2008-03-10 9:05 am
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Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
"Recycle or go to hell," sez Rome
The "sins of yesteryear" - sloth, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, wrath and pride - have a "rather individualistic dimension", he told the Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper.
The new seven deadly, or mortal, sins are designed to make worshippers realise that their vices have an effect on others as well.
"The sins of today have a social resonance as well as an individual one," said Mgr Girotti. "In effect, it is more important than ever to pay attention to your sins."
According to Roman Catholic doctrine, mortal sins are a "grave violation of God's law" and bring about "eternal death" if unrepented by the act of confession.
They are far more serious than venial sins, which impede a soul's progress in the exercise of virtue and moral good.
Mgr Girotti said genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins.
How many of these sins have you committed today?
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#2 2008-03-10 9:37 am
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Well, I'm currently watching Matt Loewen take his shirt off in a youtube clip so I guess I'll vote "lust" -- and I may over-indulge with pharmacy acquired (legal) sedatives later today so add in "drugs."
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#3 2008-03-10 10:09 am
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Is working with dictators and totalitarian regimes a sin yet ?
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#4 2008-03-10 10:35 am
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
JakeTheTall wrote:
Is working with dictators and totalitarian regimes a sin yet ?
Seeing as how the Roman Catholic Church was basically founded by a Roman emperor, I'm gonna' guess not.
George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to try to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
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#5 2008-03-10 10:35 am
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Just when you thought they left Vatican II behind. 
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#6 2008-03-10 10:58 am
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Not a fan of Vatican II?
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#7 2008-03-10 12:19 pm
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genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, taking drugs
Are you kidding me? I had to double check that it wasn't an Onion link.
Carrying out experiments on humans? I
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#8 2008-03-10 12:28 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
I think marijuana already counted under "sloth"...
Other than that, nice list.
Edit:
Actually, no. Not nice list. It's a decent list of important sins in today's world, but it is neither a companion to nor (certainly) a replacement of the Angelic Doctor's list.
The ones listed here, the new ones, are very specific sins that do affect the world at large and contribute to much misery. The classic Seven Deadly Sins were not enumerated as the gravest sins but as personal vices that lead to sin. And, I would argue, that the original Seven were quite well named so that some of the new can still be seen as outgrowths of them. Social Injustice, Obscene Wealth, Causing Poverty... all from Avarice.
I think that this list was put out because attention needed to be brought to certain issues - especially with the focus on gays that the religious right has, the Church probably saw the need to slap the conservatives a bit and tell them that they need to knock off their smurf, too.
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#9 2008-03-10 12:40 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Tallgeese wrote:
I think marijuana already counted under "sloth"...
Other than that, nice list.
Half the people in America fall nicely into this category with or without pot. Seen any skinny kids lately?
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#10 2008-03-10 1:09 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
I find some of the wording interesting, especially the use of qualifiers. For example causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy.
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#11 2008-03-10 1:12 pm
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How is "causing" a qualifier?
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#12 2008-03-10 1:19 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Tallgeese wrote:
How is "causing" a qualifier?
Because it requires direct participation in something that makes people poor. It narrows it way down.
A more ethical approach, it seems to me, would be to include profiting from poverty and social injustice. Hell, just being indifferent to it.
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#13 2008-03-10 1:26 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
How is "causing" a qualifier?
Because it requires direct participation in something that makes people poor. It narrows it way down.
A more ethical approach, it seems to me, would be to include profiting from poverty and social injustice. Hell, just being indifferent to it.
Um, these aren't the only sins. The concept, as I mentioned above, of the "Deadly Sins" is that they are the root of many other sins. By causing, for example, poverty, you allow others to profit from it or be indifferent to it. You also cause the crime and despair and self-destructive behavior that is often seen in impoverished areas.
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#14 2008-03-10 1:28 pm
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"becoming obscenely wealthy" is a sin?
That's a stone the Holy See ought not to cast.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#15 2008-03-10 1:28 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Tallgeese wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
How is "causing" a qualifier?
Because it requires direct participation in something that makes people poor. It narrows it way down.
A more ethical approach, it seems to me, would be to include profiting from poverty and social injustice. Hell, just being indifferent to it.Um, these aren't the only sins. The concept, as I mentioned above, of the "Deadly Sins" is that they are the root of many other sins. By causing, for example, poverty, you allow others to profit from it or be indifferent to it. You also cause the crime and despair and self-destructive behavior that is often seen in impoverished areas.
I agree, but those analyses are only reached through deduction; I'd prefer it if they were spelled out. They're certainly not as clear and to-the-point as the real sins are.
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#16 2008-03-10 1:29 pm
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You're basing this on a Telegraph.co.uk article. I suspect that there are things spelled out better elsewhere.
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#17 2008-03-10 1:56 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
They were quoting him from the Vatican newspaper, but I couldn't find anything in English.
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#18 2008-03-10 2:02 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
Well, the article already conflated "mortal sin" with "The Seven Deadly Sins" so don't expect it to give full in-depth analysis and any more quoting than bare-bones.
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#19 2008-03-10 2:08 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
ShnickyShnack wrote:
They were quoting him from the Vatican newspaper, but I couldn't find anything in English.
It might have been the Vatican Onion anyway.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
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#20 2008-03-10 2:24 pm
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"becoming obscenely wealthy" is a sin?
That's a stone the Holy See ought not to cast.
The word "becoming" is the key word. The Holy See is already obscenely wealthy so this doesn't count against it. 
Let's see:
genetic modification
I don't have any kids, so I guess this leaves me out.
carrying out experiments on humans
See previous.
polluting the environment
I live in the West, therefore I'm guilty.
causing social injustice
If I do this indirectly, does this count?
causing poverty
If I do this indirectly, does this count?
becoming obscenely wealthy
I think I'm very safe from this ever happening.
taking drugs
Guilty (unless you don't count on drugs which I require to live).
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#21 2008-03-10 4:35 pm
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Re: Catholic church updates the deadly sins for our age
ShnickyShnack wrote:
"Recycle or go to hell," sez Rome
The "sins of yesteryear" - sloth, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, wrath and pride - have a "rather individualistic dimension", he told the Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper.
The new seven deadly, or mortal, sins are designed to make worshippers realise that their vices have an effect on others as well.
"The sins of today have a social resonance as well as an individual one," said Mgr Girotti. "In effect, it is more important than ever to pay attention to your sins."
According to Roman Catholic doctrine, mortal sins are a "grave violation of God's law" and bring about "eternal death" if unrepented by the act of confession.
They are far more serious than venial sins, which impede a soul's progress in the exercise of virtue and moral good.
Mgr Girotti said genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins.How many of these sins have you committed today?
They seem overly specific, and overlap existing sins. Becoming obscenely wealthy could be a sign of greed already. Why be so specific. Also, what does obscenely wealthy mean? How about moderately wealthy? How about if you're obscenely wealthy but fight social injustice and poverty? What if in doing so though you create pollution?
And what does causing poverty mean? Also taking drugs? What are defined as drugs? Aspriin are drugs. Is that a mortal sin. Polluting the environment? We do that simply by being human. One can be greener or engage in cleaner fuels, but simply by living in amodern society and having modernities we are creating garbage and using energy, both of which contribute to teh pollution of the environment.
These are dumb
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#22 2008-03-10 5:42 pm
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I did 'em all. Now I'm going to use some of my obscene wealth to do a little human experimentation on some of those hot babes Eliot Spitzer knows.
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#24 2008-03-10 6:03 pm
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For a second there I thought you said anal sin.
Now that's some sinning, I tell you what!
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