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Fitna?

Puh-lease.

Pretty sickening, indeed.

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bullsmurf, one-sided view of Islam and the Quraan.

Shall we now look at all the evil that has been done in the name of Christianity and the Bible verses used to justify it?

We are NOT fighting Islam.  We are fighting radical extremists.

Well, there is Afghanistan...but there's a lot of political stuff involved there and not just the Taleban. Also, the fundies are still in charge. Guess it's a matter of if they are our fundies or if they are the enemy fundies.

perhaps boycotting the Netherlands because of this stupid movie

Everybody wins!

Seriously, a lazy troll is a sad sight.

Pithecanthropus wrote:

We are NOT fighting Islam.  We are fighting radical extremists.

I hate the phrase "radical extremists". If we're fighting radical extremists, can we add the Administration to our list of enemies?

We should be fighting terrorists. Instead, we're sending our sons and daughters to be a human demilitarized zone in Iraq.

wow the movie got erased, the staff has gotten death threats! OMG.

Last edited by Proost (2008-03-28 5:01 pm)

Pithecanthropus wrote:

bullsmurf, one-sided view of Islam and the Quraan.

Shall we now look at all the evil that has been done in the name of Christianity and the Bible verses used to justify it?

We are NOT fighting Islam.  We are fighting radical extremists.

I would say that is rather the point.
Jesus was a pretty outspoken man of peace, had no power, was known for acts of kindness, held no political office and had no military experience and yet the determined were still able to distort that message to justify wars and violence.
Mohamad on the other hand was a political leader, had great power, lead an army and is personally credited with killing hundreds.
Seems obvious that one's efforts to "twist" the message of Islam to endorse violence would be miner if required at all.
Any faith can be subverted to justify violence but for some it takes more work..some one hell of a lot less.

I've seen no evidence so far in this life that Islam has any redeeming value whatsoever. Perhaps someone would care to enlighten me. I don't want to say that I'm on the movie-maker's side because I'm not interested in watching a movie right now, but I think it's smurfing stupid the way Muslims issue death sentences to anyone who bad-mouths their stupid smurfing religion, and I don't think bullsmurf like that should be tolerated by the rest of the world. I don't care what the Koran says about it, I'm just concerned with the behavior of people who are alive today.

Allah obviously didn't want a bunch of freaky and psychotic Muslims to rule the Earth, or they would have won the First World War hands down with His help.

Obviously we can't kill all the Muslims in the world (for various reasons) nor would I advocate such stupidity since it would be the exact stupidity that pisses me off about their behavior. Nor is it really anybody's place to attempt to "educate" them. They're going to have to save themselves (and the world) by waking up on their own and knocking off the terrorist bullsmurf. Otherwise, sooner or later, some psycho (ours or theirs for that matter) is going to go nuts with a nuke and then the smurf will really hit the fan. We've been lucky so far but I can't imagine being this lucky for another 500 years if people don't change their attitudes all around this smurfing planet (not that it will affect me personally much by that time).

And you guys can go on about the Spanish Inquisition all you want but that was 400 years ago and it's over.

And you could go on about how Iraq II is just another crusade so they're not really over. Fair enough, but the Muslims pretty much started that fight by invading Europe, so I'm really just writing that off as a "Who cares who started it?" thing. Just end it already.

I must admit, however, that I can understand why Muslims would be pissed off about the importation of thousands of European Jews into Palestine. It was kind of a stupid thing to do, but I didn't do it, and few people left alive really had anything to do with it, it kind of had to do with the Holocaust (which was technically the doings of psychotic European pagan throwbacks, from a religious standpoint, but they are another story entirely). Apparently some European Jews believed that they would be safer in Palestine, surrounded by Muslims who would only want to kill them, than to stay in Europe surrounded by psychotic pagan throwbacks. Their mistake. Oops. Give 'em a break. You can't just kill 'em. Sorry 'bout that.

On the other hand, I recall the story where a crowd of Jews at the Weeping Wall ... Praying Wall ... whatever wall the Romans (European pagans themselves) left standing when they trashed Solomon's temple (and somehow escaped the wrath of YHWH, who was supposed to be at least keeping an eye on it the lazy smurfer) ... anyway, they started stoning (as in the Bible definition, not like I would stone her if she was here right now) a girl for kissing some guy even though she was only doing it to make a movie and it wasn't like they were tourists who flew over there from Hollywood just to make out at their o/~ sacred monument o/~, which had never been pissed on by some drunken Jewish teenager in its entire existence. That kind of bullsmurf really pisses me off, too. It's almost like the Jews think they can just hand out death sentences any time they feel like it. That was not the act of some lone psycho either, it was the act of a mob exactly like the one that wanted to "stone" the prostitute that Jesus dispersed. Hell, being a prostitute doesn't make someone deserve the death sentence and one kiss for a movie certainly doesn't deserve one. I fail to see how Jews are really any more rational than Muslims and I wonder why the rest of the world should tolerate that bullsmurf just as much as I wonder why we should tolerate it from Muslims and Christians.

Then of course we have Pat Robertson to prove that Christians are not entirely over their capacity for ass ass ination and other forms of violence. Apparently Pat thinks (or thought, at least, when he hammered his foot into his mouth) that if you don't actually touch the sword then you're not really living by it. What a dumb ass. And he didn't even want someone killed for religious reasons. Maybe Hugo sold him some bad cocaine or something.

I don't care if someone ... any number of people ... want to be religious. I just don't want to bugged about it on any level, from teenage volunteers proselytizing in city parks to suicidal psychos blowing themselves up just to take other people down with them. Just knock it off already.

Last edited by Duke Stratosphere (2008-03-28 6:42 pm)

I've seen no evidence so far in this life that Islam has any redeeming value whatsoever. Perhaps someone would care to enlighten me. I don't want to say that I'm on the movie-maker's side because I'm not interested in watching a movie right now, but I think it's smurfing stupid the way Muslims issue death sentences to anyone who bad-mouths their stupid smurfing religion, and I don't think bullsmurf like that should be tolerated by the rest of the world. I don't care what the Koran says about it, I'm just concerned with the behavior of people who are alive today.

Allah obviously didn't want a bunch of freaky and psychotic Muslims to rule the Earth, or they would have won the First World War hands down with His help.

Obviously we can't kill all the Muslims in the world (for various reasons) nor would I advocate such stupidity since it would be the exact stupidity that pisses me off about their behavior. Nor is it really anybody's place to attempt to "educate" them. They're going to have to save themselves (and the world) by waking up on their own and knocking off the terrorist bullsmurf. Otherwise, sooner or later, some psycho (ours or theirs for that matter) is going to go nuts with a nuke and then the smurf will really hit the fan. We've been lucky so far but I can't imagine being this lucky for another 500 years if people don't change their attitudes all around this smurfing planet (not that it will affect me personally much by that time).

And you guys can go on about the Spanish Inquisition all you want but that was 400 years ago and it's over.

And you could go on about how Iraq II is just another crusade so they're not really over. Fair enough, but the Muslims pretty much started that fight by invading Europe, so I'm really just writing that off as a "Who cares who started it?" thing. Just end it already.

I must admit, however, that I can understand why Muslims would be pissed off about the importation of thousands of European Jews into Palestine. It was kind of a stupid thing to do, but I didn't do it, and few people left alive really had anything to do with it, it kind of had to do with the Holocaust (which was technically the doings of psychotic European pagan throwbacks, from a religious standpoint, but they are another story entirely). Apparently some European Jews believed that they would be safer in Palestine, surrounded by Muslims who would only want to kill them, than to stay in Europe surrounded by psychotic pagan throwbacks. Their mistake. Oops. Give 'em a break. You can't just kill 'em. Sorry 'bout that.

On the other hand, I recall the story where a crowd of Jews at the Weeping Wall ... Praying Wall ... whatever wall the Romans (European pagans themselves) left standing when they trashed Solomon's temple (and somehow escaped the wrath of YHWH, who was supposed to be at least keeping an eye on it the lazy smurfer) ... anyway, they started stoning (as in the Bible definition, not like I would stone her if she was here right now) a girl for kissing some guy even though she was only doing it to make a movie and it wasn't like they were tourists who flew over there from Hollywood just to make out at their o/~ sacred monument o/~, which had never been pissed on by some drunken Jewish teenager in its entire existence. That kind of bullsmurf really pisses me off, too. It's almost like the Jews think they can just hand out death sentences any time they feel like it. That was not the act of some lone psycho either, it was the act of a mob exactly like the one that wanted to "stone" the prostitute that Jesus dispersed. Hell, being a prostitute doesn't make someone deserve the death sentence and one kiss for a movie certainly doesn't deserve one. I fail to see how Jews are really any more rational than Muslims and I wonder why the rest of the world should tolerate that bullsmurf just as much as I wonder why we should tolerate it from Muslims and Christians.

Then of course we have Pat Robertson to prove that Christians are not entirely over their capacity for ass ass ination and other forms of violence. Apparently Pat thinks (or thought, at least, when he hammered his foot into his mouth) that if you don't actually touch the sword then you're not really living by it. What a dumb ass. And he didn't even want someone killed for religious reasons. Maybe Hugo sold him some bad cocaine or something.

I don't care if someone ... any number of people ... want to be religious. I just don't want to bugged about it on any level, from teenage volunteers proselytizing in city parks to suicidal psychos blowing themselves up just to take other people down with them. Just knock it off already.

I'll agree that Islam is pretty dumb. It's more of a sham religion than Judaism or Christianity, but only just. I rank it up there with Scientology and LDS. I can understand people being born into it and believing it, but converting? Yikes. Islam is violent and has a violent past. As do Christianity and Judaism (all those folks the Israelites slaughtered to get the Holy Land - and still are).

That being said, it's my own personal view, believe whatever you want. But it's unfair to paint all Muslims with the same brush. It would be like me claiming that all Christians are like Fred Phelps, which isn't true. The war in Iraq isn't a holy war. Neither is Afghanistan.

robco wrote:

I'll agree that Islam is pretty dumb. It's more of a sham religion than Judaism or Christianity, but only just.

How so?