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#1 2008-05-01 2:09 pm

tedbragg
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Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

I have a G4 QS Dual 1Ghz. What would I be in for if I wanted to swap out the mobo and put in a new(er) Intel-based Mac logic board?

Is the layout on the new boards all that different? Would I have to replace the PSU? I do this all the time with the WinTel boxes here at work -- swap out old  for new in the same case, leaving the existing drives and whatnot.

I'm aware of the software re-installs I'd have to do. But what about hardware?

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#2 2008-05-01 2:55 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

Ya PSU would have to change. Apple doesn't seem to like using standard PSUs. And if a Intel one would fit, that would be another issue. Layout i'd imagine is different but I don't have any picts to compare by how much.

Really it probably would be easier to just ATX case an Intel Mac.


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#3 2008-05-02 3:24 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

wot the heck is wrong with your dual 1gig quicksilver?!? accelerator card to 1.8? dual 1.42 mdd board?<- i dunno if that is possible, but worth a shot

secondly if u don't mind graphics, gut an intel mini that definately will fit!


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#4 2008-05-02 5:41 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

He might like the QS case. I personally like the QS case for looks more than any of the others. If I was thinking of a similar project, i'd probably look into the same. Cooling wise, he'd have to get inventive. The QS wasn't really known for cooling but if you remove the speaker and maybe rig something up in the empty drive bay, you can make your own intakes.


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#5 2008-05-05 1:57 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

I would imagine that the Mac Pro, or any Apple/Intel board is going to be a much different layout than the G4 board.  It would be a lot of work, but I'm sure it's possible....and it would be a cool little computer.  I love the G4 case.

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#6 2008-05-07 3:39 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

NightCougar_37 wrote:

He might like the QS case. I personally like the QS case for looks more than any of the others.

i think his qs kicks ass.  i don't see the problem? i love g4 anything personally cept MAYBE the pci graphite tower.


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#7 2008-05-07 7:16 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

NSX wrote:

NightCougar_37 wrote:

He might like the QS case. I personally like the QS case for looks more than any of the others.

i think his qs kicks ass.  i don't see the problem?

I think he would like some hardcore speed. roll Yah know like the intels offer.


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#8 2008-05-07 8:00 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

NSX wrote:

NightCougar_37 wrote:

He might like the QS case. I personally like the QS case for looks more than any of the others.

i think his qs kicks ass.  i don't see the problem? i love g4 anything personally cept MAYBE the pci graphite tower.

ohh i dont know.. maybe something along the lines of his QS having a processor that can barely run apples modern OS.

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#9 2008-05-07 12:12 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

it's time to optimize your system.  get rid of all your porn or for one.  and, by modern you mean wifi less modern? where a new york school district halted the use of the "modern" os because it doesnt work?  sounds good to me!


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#10 2008-05-07 12:31 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

just because some school district couldn't get something (and I say something because you didn't bother to explain or cite your example) to work doesn't mean G4 is the r0x0r ... You are a PCC elitist stuck in the damn past. Normal people, yes I said NORMAL people want new faster computers. My 2.2 ic2d blackbook is faster at alot of things than my D2.3 G5 ... MY G5 ... and your still going on about G4 ... Christ! I understand you have some petty bullcrap against intel ... smurf that ... intels are still faster than the PPCs regardless of whatever the hell you have against it ...


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#11 2008-05-07 1:46 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

mrreet2001 wrote:

just because some school district couldn't get something (and I say something because you didn't bother to explain or cite your example) to work doesn't mean G4 is the r0x0r ... You are a PCC elitist stuck in the damn past. Normal people, yes I said NORMAL people want new faster computers. My 2.2 ic2d blackbook is faster at alot of things than my D2.3 G5 ... MY G5 ... and your still going on about G4 ... Christ! I understand you have some petty bullcrap against intel ... smurf that ... intels are still faster than the PPCs regardless of whatever the hell you have against it ...

Congratulations, you just beat up* a 13 year old.**

Going to Disneyland?

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#12 2008-05-07 2:49 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

dvpierce wrote:

**Best guess, and NSX's claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

lol but I think he is 27 regardless of how he acts.


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#13 2008-05-07 6:24 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

to mrreet; you must be extremely rich, to buy everything over.  m$ office for example is not cheap, nor is it even affordable. here is your cite on an upgrade of office http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp … 4052593484

here is your cite on the new york schools http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08 … _flaw.html

where is this kick ass speed you speak of? oh thats right in order for me to use kick ass speed pro tools i have to upgrade to 7.3 which costs http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?lan … emid=4963.  and if i MUST use it on a ppc it's slow as syrup, because the format is now different.

to dvpierce; congratulations to you because that makes less sense than putting an intel board in a g4 tower right? [claps]

your logic is flawed, nothing is wrong with his computer.  but, i'm crazy because i think he should accelerate it instead where it is more cost effective and less time consuming. yes it is notwithstanding, but i guess you both didnt hear the part where i said maybe i had gotten a defective macbook as my first experience, and decided to give this intel mini a chance so far it has been stable.

edit; i am not against spending money my blackbook was a c2d 2.0ghz with 2gigs of ram and a 7200rpm hard drive.  if it works then great!  the new 3ghz imacs that we use to accompany the main xeons are incredible i do not even notice any rosetta.

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#14 2008-05-07 11:35 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

To the OP's post. Yes its possible but it would require alot of hacking to get the board mounted to the QS door, not to mention i dont know where you could place a PSU in the case as the QS one was especially made to mount in that case. If you want to talk about modern systems and old systems look no further. I use a wallstreet on a day to day basis, why? Because it still suits my needs. I have my iMac C2D if i need to do anything that requires raw power like the OP was looking to do.


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#15 2008-05-08 7:29 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

NSX wrote:

to mrreet; you must be extremely rich, to buy everything over.  m$ office for example is not cheap, nor is it even affordable. here is your cite on an upgrade of office http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp … 4052593484

here is your cite on the new york schools http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08 … _flaw.html

where is this kick ass speed you speak of? oh thats right in order for me to use kick ass speed pro tools i have to upgrade to 7.3 which costs http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?lan … emid=4963.  and if i MUST use it on a ppc it's slow as syrup, because the format is now different.
.

The typical user doesn't need "Microsoft Server Exchange Support & Automator Actions for Workflows in Microsoft Office" ... Which means Office Home and Student Edition is fine for most which can be had for 130$ ....

For someone who 'can' afford to buy a new intel mac ... 200$ isn't expensive. Logic is better than Pro tools anyway.


and since the article doesn't even say what the "issue" is ... I am still going to ignore it, becomes A. someone who orders apples through dell are off their rocker and B. none of the districts around here have had and any real problems with leo.

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#16 2008-05-08 7:48 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

mrreet2001 wrote:

The typical user doesn't need "Microsoft Server Exchange Support & Automator Actions for Workflows in Microsoft Office" ... Which means Office Home and Student Edition is fine for most which can be had for 130$ ....

For someone who 'can' afford to buy a new intel mac ... 200$ isn't expensive. Logic is better than Pro tools anyway.


and since the article doesn't even say what the "issue" is ... I am still going to ignore it, becomes A. someone who orders apples through dell are off their rocker and B. none of the districts around here have had and any real problems with leo.

you really are rich.  so you already have office 04 that you then install on your intel only to find that larger and more complicated things are very slow such as a 2,000x2,000 excel sheet. so, who cares lets just buy office 08.

the issue is wifi loses it's strength after a duration of time it affects different machines with different attributes.  my powerbook cannot sustain wifi for more than 15 minutes, my mini cannot sustain wifi for 45 minutes. i'm not going to cite this, it is very common in leo.

and "logic is better than protools" hmm that's a good one LoL, best one so far.  that's apples and oranges there.

i dunno wot your thing is. i did say earlier to gut an intel mini as the cheapest way to keep the qs case.


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#17 2008-05-08 8:20 am

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

NSX wrote:

i did say earlier to gut an intel mini as the cheapest way to keep the qs case.

you said that right after telling him he should just upgrade the cpu then a post later telling him there is nothing wrong with his g4 and you love g4s ... thats 'wot' my deal is. The OP wants an intel mac ... there is nothing wrong with that.


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#18 2008-05-08 12:59 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

Ooookaaayyy....

Looks like my inquiry went off the train rails and skidded all over the village eek

My reason for asking, is I'm needing more speed. Lots more. And I also need to run Windows for job specific apps. Emulation has been tried, but to no avail.

A new IntelMac ain't in the cards, but swapping out the internals might be an option. If Open Computer (and PLEASE, let's not go careening off track again) if they can get the computer guts to make their own Mac, so can I.

I *love* the QS case. It's beautiful and proudly displayed atop my desk.

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#19 2008-05-08 1:09 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

tedbragg wrote:

If Open Computer (and PLEASE, let's not go careening off track again) if they can get the computer guts to make their own Mac, so can I..

Just warning you ... The Psystar is just a pc that they install a hacked OS onto ... ala OSX/86. You can't go out and buy an apple os and install it on the computer without hacking the os.


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#20 2008-05-08 3:23 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

mrreet2001 wrote:

tedbragg wrote:

If Open Computer (and PLEASE, let's not go careening off track again) if they can get the computer guts to make their own Mac, so can I..

Just warning you ... The Psystar is just a pc that they install a hacked OS onto ... ala OSX/86. You can't go out and buy an apple os and install it on the computer without hacking the os.

I thought the Psystar used hacked EFI.


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#21 2008-05-08 3:32 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

dvpierce wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

tedbragg wrote:

If Open Computer (and PLEASE, let's not go careening off track again) if they can get the computer guts to make their own Mac, so can I..

Just warning you ... The Psystar is just a pc that they install a hacked OS onto ... ala OSX/86. You can't go out and buy an apple os and install it on the computer without hacking the os.

I thought the Psystar used hacked EFI.

I retract my previous statement. The last time I was at their website i swear it said you had to use a hacked copy... but that was a while ago.


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#22 2008-05-08 6:40 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

The issue is a bit muddled atm. The OSX disc included cannot be used to reinstall OSX normally, last I heard, so Psystar appears to do something differently. Just what is unclear.


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#23 2008-05-08 7:34 pm

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Re: Replace G4 mobo with new Mac-Intel board?

Bat wrote:

The issue is a bit muddled atm. The OSX disc included cannot be used to reinstall OSX normally, last I heard, so Psystar appears to do something differently. Just what is unclear.

you call psystar you tell them you need to reinstall.  they send you a big box and charge you 50 bucks back and forth last i heard.


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