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Pariah wrote:

I always think it is informative to read the statements of the anti-gay crowd and replace references to gays with "jews". Kinda makes the thrust of their beliefs more clear.
I seem to recall another political movement with a big problem with the "Jewish Agenda", now it's the exact same thing except now it's gays.

I like to call Apples Oranges as well.

I'm sure it's going to be a nasty fight. Since this is basically the last hurrah, the conservatives will be out in force trying to get this amendment passed. I'm not sure it will pass, but either way, the vote will be awfully close.

Fortunately, we have MA as an example. They've had SSM for a few years now and the sky hasn't fallen. That and I think the economy and other issues are too strong for this to make a huge difference. There are far more important issues facing CA right now.

Everyone looks out for their own interests first. The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession, etc. are more important issues - at least to most people. There are a fair number of social conservatives, but they alone won't get this passed. Gotta reach your average voter. Public opinion has been steadily moving toward acceptance of SSM. It's not as easy a fight. As mentioned above, we also have the advantage of Canada, Spain and MA legalizing SSM since Prop 22 passed. So far, no negative impact. No descent into rampant debauchery, no rapid decline. God may have dropped his magical shield, but so far no major natural disasters (though I'm sure some of the states hit by tornadoes recently are ones that have passed amendments banning SSM).

Given the other issues in the state and nationally, I just don't think this will be a big deal to many Californians. But we need to prepare for a nasty fight through November anyway. We'll get the usual misinformation (already happening), scapegoating and such. We need to get the facts out there. We're just like most other couples, we make fine parents, it's not just about the sex, there are several ways in which we can consummate our relationships.

resedit wrote:

The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession to many people is liberal media spin.
I'm not saying it really is - just saying that many see it that way.

75% say we're in a recession -- are you implying that they faked that poll?

resedit wrote:

The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession to many people is liberal media spin.
I'm not saying it really is - just saying that many see it that way.

How many?  The polls suggest you're wrong, as beddy pointed out.

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession to many people is liberal media spin.
I'm not saying it really is - just saying that many see it that way.

How many?  The polls suggest you're wrong, as beddy pointed out.

The claim was "There are far more important issues facing California right now"

Are those issues important enough to the people that people will ignore the issue of gay marriage?

The gays don't think so, as they are still pushing for it - what makes you thing those who oppose gay marriage will feel any differently?

well, this is the result of a court case that started when times were better, so there is that....

and there's a pretty serious difference between the oppressed group and the un oppressed group.

Well, there are still some Christians around here who are convinced that God will smite California next week for its wickedness.

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession to many people is liberal media spin.
I'm not saying it really is - just saying that many see it that way.

How many?  The polls suggest you're wrong, as beddy pointed out.

The claim was "There are far more important issues facing California right now"

Are those issues important enough to the people that people will ignore the issue of gay marriage?

The gays don't think so, as they are still pushing for it - what makes you thing those who oppose gay marriage will feel any differently?

Huh?  The claim was "The budget crisis, unemployment, the recession to many people is liberal media spin."

That is what I take issue with.

Tallgeese wrote:

Well, there are still some Christians around here who are convinced that God will smite California next week for its wickedness.

Again?

Can it wait until have Indiana Jones and The Crystal Cave comes out?