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#1 2008-05-22 12:53 pm
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Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
European Court of Human Rights agrees to hear human rights case -- involving chimpanzee
36-year-old Miss Stibbe and the Vienna-based Association Against Animal Factories have filed an appeal with the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.
The insists that the chimp needs legal standing so a guardian can be appointed to look out for his interests - especially if the sanctuary shuts down.
Miss Stibbe, who is from Brighton but has lived in Vienna for several years, says she is not trying to get the chimp declared a human, just a person.
'Everybody who knows him personally will see him as a person,' she said.
'In his home in the African jungle, he would have been well able to look after himself without a guardian.
The legal wrangle began in February 2007, when the sanctuary where Matthew lives with another chimp, Rosi, plus a crocodile filed for bankruptcy protection.
Activists want to ensure the apes do not wind up homeless. Both were captured as babies in Sierra Leone in 1982 and smuggled to Austria for use in pharmaceutical experiments.
Customs officers intercepted the shipment and turned the chimps over to the shelter. Their upkeep costs £4,000 a month.
Donors have offered to help, but under Austrian law, only a human can receive personal gifts.
Like the man said: fascinating!
Will this case have broader ramifications, or will it just be a one-off legal oddity?
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#2 2008-05-22 1:05 pm
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
Well, what happens to the chimp if they lose the case? I mean, it's not like the poor guy'll be put down or something, right? Some zoo'll take him, and interested parties can donate to the zoo. Even if he's not assigned a legal guardian, he'll have to have some kind of caretaker; either an agency or a person.
That said, we've been teaching them sign language for a while - I look forward to being able to simply ask them what they want.
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#3 2008-05-22 1:09 pm
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I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#4 2008-05-22 1:22 pm
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It smacks of legal fiction.
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
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#5 2008-05-22 2:01 pm
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
If chimps get rights, can people eventually marry them?
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#6 2008-05-22 2:10 pm
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all animals are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are the right to have a court appoint a guardian on ones behalf...
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#7 2008-05-22 2:53 pm
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
everlong205 wrote:
If chimps get rights, can people eventually marry them?
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#9 2008-05-22 3:18 pm
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everlong205 wrote:
If chimps get rights, can people eventually marry them?
No, but if chimps get rights, it's a blow for evolution.
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#10 2008-05-22 3:43 pm
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sturner wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
If chimps get rights, can people eventually marry them?
No, but if chimps get rights, it's a blow for evolution.
How?
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#11 2008-05-22 3:47 pm
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Proost wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
If chimps get rights, can people eventually marry them?
Good one.
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#12 2008-05-22 4:12 pm
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To be viewed as a person one must view them as having some equivalency to humans.
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#13 2008-05-22 4:26 pm
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And is that equivalency bound up in Darwinian evolution?
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#14 2008-05-22 10:43 pm
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
dvpierce wrote:
Well, what happens to the chimp if they lose the case? I mean, it's not like the poor guy'll be put down or something, right?
Maybe this one won't, but others have been used for medical experiments and the like.
Then there's a country (South Africa?) that's decided to "thin out" its elephants. Elephants are one of a few animals that have passed a self-consciousness test, and they're also known to grieve for their dead. So the powers-that-be have decided to kill them "humanely" by slaughtering entire elephant families. (The reasoning being that if they kill them all, there will be none left to grieve!)
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#15 2008-05-22 11:11 pm
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GIVE US FREEE!!!
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#16 2008-05-23 7:24 am
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Maybe he will run for congress, can't be any worse than what we have now.
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#17 2008-05-23 8:04 am
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Not sure it is a good idea to start electing Microsoft's OS design team.
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#18 2008-05-23 8:37 am
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
Tom_N wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
Well, what happens to the chimp if they lose the case? I mean, it's not like the poor guy'll be put down or something, right?
Maybe this one won't, but others have been used for medical experiments and the like.
Then there's a country (South Africa?) that's decided to "thin out" its elephants. Elephants are one of a few animals that have passed a self-consciousness test, and they're also known to grieve for their dead. So the powers-that-be have decided to kill them "humanely" by slaughtering entire elephant families. (The reasoning being that if they kill them all, there will be none left to grieve!)
Man, humans are so smart!
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#20 2008-05-23 10:35 am
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Re: Chimp to humans: "rights please, thanks!"
Tom_N wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
Well, what happens to the chimp if they lose the case? I mean, it's not like the poor guy'll be put down or something, right?
Maybe this one won't, but others have been used for medical experiments and the like.
Then there's a country (South Africa?) that's decided to "thin out" its elephants. Elephants are one of a few animals that have passed a self-consciousness test, and they're also known to grieve for their dead. So the powers-that-be have decided to kill them "humanely" by slaughtering entire elephant families. (The reasoning being that if they kill them all, there will be none left to grieve!)
Geez... 
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#21 2008-05-23 10:41 am
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If God didn't want Chimps to be experimented on, he should have put them in the Jungle in Africa - not in zoos.
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#22 2008-05-23 10:53 am
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Too funny res!
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#23 2008-05-23 10:59 am
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"Ab ovo"
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