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In any kind of realistic universe, the decision on Florida and Michigan was the final nail in the coffin. Once the primaries are done there's just no hope. Not that there's been much for a long time.

She can only win if a bunch of supedelegates switch sides.

Meanwhile, Billy-boy is dropping big hints too

"I want to say also that this may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of this kind," the former president told Clinton supporters in South Dakota, ABC and NBC reported on their news websites.

"I thought I was out of politics, till Hillary decided to run. But it has been one of the greatest honors of my life to go around and campaign for her for president," he added at the start of his stump speech.

Ask it that way, and one could imagine it going on forever.

"Halfway through President Obama's second term, Senator Hillary Clinton rallied her supporters yesterday ... "

It will end soon.  There's no way she's taking this to the convention.

These people will all be out of work on Tuesday, because the democratic nomination race is over.  However, in the words of her role model Joe Lieberman, this was only the first half of the campaign.  All democratic primary campaign workers will be working for America for Hillary starting on Wednesday.

::Steals shnicky's canadian thunder::
She's out eh?

Last edited by Freakout Jackson (2008-06-02 3:41 pm)

Last winter the "who is most electable?" question was pretty open to debate but not now.
No modern era democrat has EVER won the presidency without overwhelmingly (80-90%) carrying the black vote. I doubt Hillary could get 50% and more likely much less after her race baiting.
Obama on the other hand will landslide with Blacks and in the year the black turnout will set a new record.
Lots and lots of pissed off black people out there.

Last edited by Pariah (2008-06-02 4:29 pm)

bratboy wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Last winter the "who is most electable?" question was pretty open to debate but not now.

No, I'm pretty sure that's still debatable.

Clinton is killing McCain on a state-by-state basis in the polls.  Held today, she would easily take both Ohio and Florida.

Obama's numbers have definitely improved, however.  Hopefully they will continue to as he shifts gears into the general election.

I think it will.
McCain really faces a smurfer of a challenge: How does he stave off the charges of just being a third Bush term while not offending the 50% of republicans who like Bush.
Also I think Obama's secret weapon is that he could motivate millions of young voters, who ordinarily dont vote, into voting for him. Add to that the certainty that with Obama running we will see the largest black turnout ever.
Obama brings many new voters with him.

Get this: Hillary's reportedly in talks with Obama to get her campaign debt paid off

dvpierce wrote:

Pariah wrote:

bratboy wrote:

No, I'm pretty sure that's still debatable.

Clinton is killing McCain on a state-by-state basis in the polls.  Held today, she would easily take both Ohio and Florida.

Obama's numbers have definitely improved, however.  Hopefully they will continue to as he shifts gears into the general election.

I think it will.
McCain really faces a smurfer of a challenge: How does he stave off the charges of just being a third Bush term while not offending the 50% of republicans who like Bush.
Also I think Obama's secret weapon is that he could motivate millions of young voters, who ordinarily dont vote, into voting for him. Add to that the certainty that with Obama running we will see the largest black turnout ever.
Obama brings many new voters with him.

I agree with you in general, but won't that 50% of the republican base that likes Bush vote for McCain anyway? (Mostly)

The danger for McCain is that disillusioned Bushies might just stay home.

BREAKING NEWS: [b]Hillary to admit Obama has enough delegates to win!

Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said Tuesday that once Obama gets the majority of convention delegates, "I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him and call him the nominee."

"I don't think she's going to go to the credentials committee," he said on NBC's "Today" show.

Wow! Major concession -- a Clinton accepts the existence of objective reality!

Obama told The Associated Press on Monday that "we've got a lot of work to do in terms of bringing the party together" with the convention approaching.

Ya think?

I'm with tallgeese.  Even if she bows out now - I will wait until November to be certain - and if she is VP....