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#1 2008-06-05 3:27 pm
- ShnickyShnack
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A startling photo
This was on the front page of today's New York Times Arts section:
Marines preparing to off-load the coffin of a 2nd Lt. who was killed in Iraq from a commercial airliner at Reno airport:
Just thought I'd share it.
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#2 2008-06-05 3:38 pm
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Re: A startling photo
would you rather they waste your taxes on a plane specifically for that one body?
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#3 2008-06-05 3:45 pm
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Re: A startling photo
You're missing the point, DB.
The interesting thing about the photo is the juxtaposition of the faces of the bored airline passengers with the war dead being unloaded.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#4 2008-06-05 3:45 pm
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Re: A startling photo
I think that picture was taken by black jesus
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#5 2008-06-05 4:10 pm
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Re: A startling photo
Freakout Jackson wrote:
I think that picture was taken by black jesus
WTF???!!!
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#6 2008-06-05 4:41 pm
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That picture looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels.
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#7 2008-06-05 6:54 pm
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Re: A startling photo
I'm gonna have to rule Tallgese's response the best.
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#9 2008-06-05 7:07 pm
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Re: A startling photo
It's in the arts section because it's from an article about a book that's about soliders killed in action.
While “Final Salute” is not a muckraking book, it is still quietly horrifying. It bears witness to the ways in which casualties from Iraq are shielded from sight. Mr. Sheeler’s readers may not have realized, for instance, that dead soldiers’ coffins have been hidden in cardboard boxes (ostensibly to protect the coffins), toted by forklifts and stowed in the cargo holds of passenger planes.
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#10 2008-06-05 8:30 pm
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NPR's fresh air did a great interview with a marine who job it was to move the bodies of the fallen as well as tell the families of the fallen what has happned. A while back he also talks about how the bodies are moved on commercial flights as well as the fact there is a new rule where the families can choose to have them moved commercial like the picture shows or with a military plane. I think they repeated the episode this Memorial day if you want to hop on itunes and listen I recommend it. Its still on the feeder date is 05/26
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#11 2008-06-05 8:42 pm
Re: A startling photo
It's 'shopped and the artist didn't try to hide that it was 'shopped.
The people in the windows are too obvious - and it was done to make a statement, not to try and deceive anyone.
Therefore, I don't have a problem with it.
I think the statement being made is along the lines of soldiers dying while we go one with our frivolous lifestyles. I'd need to see it in its original context to get a better feel for what the artist was trying to say.
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#12 2008-06-05 8:48 pm
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1. It's not photoshopped.
2. Riding in planes is not frivolous
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
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#13 2008-06-05 8:51 pm
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Re: A startling photo
Once again ... Tallgeese for the win.
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#14 2008-06-05 8:52 pm
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ShnickyShnack wrote:
It's in the arts section because it's from an article about a book that's about soliders killed in action.
While “Final Salute” is not a muckraking book, it is still quietly horrifying. It bears witness to the ways in which casualties from Iraq are shielded from sight. Mr. Sheeler’s readers may not have realized, for instance, that dead soldiers’ coffins have been hidden in cardboard boxes (ostensibly to protect the coffins), toted by forklifts and stowed in the cargo holds of passenger planes.
Ah I missed this post the Fresh Air interview is with the journalist who wrote that book
and the Casualty Assistance Officer he followed around for years to write the book. The pic is real and it happens all the time.
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#15 2008-06-05 9:01 pm
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Re: A startling photo
The caption reads
at the Reno Airport, Marines climbed into the cargo hold of the plane and draped the flag over his casket as passengers watched the family gather on the tarmac. During the arrival of another Marine's casket at Denver International Airport, Major Steve Beck described the scene as one of the most powerful in the process: "See the people in the windows? They'll sit right there in the plane, watching those Marines. You gotta wonder what's going through their minds, knowing that they're on the plane that brought him home," he said. "They're going to remember being on that plane for the rest of their lives. They're going to remember bringing that Marine home. And they should."
Remember, the passengers are illuminated by fluorescent lights. The plane is stopped, and a few of them can see a hearse, or maybe a crying individual on the tarmac. They probably can't see the casket. And a few of them are just anxious to end their flight.
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#16 2008-06-05 9:02 pm
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Re: A startling photo
jerwin wrote:
1. It's not photoshopped.
2. Riding in planes is not frivolous
look, I know. I have seen quite a few 'shops in my time.
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#17 2008-06-05 9:19 pm
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Tallgeese wrote:
jerwin wrote:
1. It's not photoshopped.
2. Riding in planes is not frivolouslook, I know. I have seen quite a few 'shops in my time.
I was responding to resedit.
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
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#19 2008-06-06 2:15 am
Re: A startling photo
The lighting on the passengers is wrong. The passengers are not back lit as they would be from the cabin lighting. - they are lit from the front.
Frivolous isn't quite the right word but it's close.
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#20 2008-06-06 6:19 am
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Re: A startling photo
I'm in awe.
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#21 2008-06-06 6:53 am
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In a similar vein (or should I say vain, since it too will no doubt be 'shopped in some people's eyes?), here's an incredible and moving article that ran in Esquire: The Things That Carried Him.
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#22 2008-06-06 7:15 am
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Yuck. Their website threw up advertisements that covered the content that had no easy way I could see to close. So I couldn't read the article.
Some web designers need to have their asses kicked.
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#23 2008-06-06 7:21 am
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That's weird. I don't get any pop-ups or anything.
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#24 2008-06-06 8:00 am
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Re: A startling photo
Mustapha Mond wrote:
In a similar vein (or should I say vain, since it too will no doubt be 'shopped in some people's eyes?), here's an incredible and moving article that ran in Esquire: The Things That Carried Him.
Tim O'Brien should be required reading in schools and for politicians just before they vote to decide whether to send other people's sons and daughters off to war. Then perhaps they might have a slightly better understanding of what is actually involved.
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#25 2008-06-06 8:03 am
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I didn't the second time I clicked (just now) - probably a naughty advertiser.
OK - so some advertisers need to have their asses kicked 
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