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#1 2008-06-30 6:10 pm

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So ... remember the last Republican convention?

"Free speech zones" to be in effect at Democratic convention

But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protestors and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.

The ACLU has said it wants to avoid the conditions that existed during the 2004 convention in Boston, where protesters were caged, infuriating First Amendment advocates.

Fun times.


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#2 2008-06-30 6:32 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I think this proper.
Concentrating the protesters makes it easier to avoid friendly fire with the tear gas.


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#3 2008-06-30 8:24 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

The important thing is, they're not censoring content.

Though one wonders why the ACLU is involved (and whether they'd be fenced off if they were protesting in support of the party).


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#4 2008-06-30 8:29 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Ugh.  I see "change" is in the air.


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#5 2008-06-30 9:02 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I wonder how this decade will be viewed in 30 years.
Seriously.


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#6 2008-06-30 9:05 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

resedit wrote:

I wonder how this decade will be viewed in 30 years.
Seriously.

It will be viewed with tearful eyes as a better time


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#7 2008-06-30 9:30 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Gurlugon wrote:

resedit wrote:

I wonder how this decade will be viewed in 30 years.
Seriously.

It will be viewed with tearful eyes as a better time

Oh dear.


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#8 2008-06-30 10:11 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I'm confused with this thread title.  They also did this at the 2004 Dem convention in Boston and previous to that.

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#9 2008-06-30 11:09 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

bedstuy wrote:

I'm confused with this thread title.  They also did this at the 2004 Dem convention in Boston and previous to that.

Yes, and Obama was behind ALL of it!


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#10 2008-06-30 11:33 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

demlicans rooool!!!!

(the smurfing ass hats)


...and watch out for the flying meat!

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#11 2008-07-01 7:52 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Freakout Jackson wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I'm confused with this thread title.  They also did this at the 2004 Dem convention in Boston and previous to that.

Yes, and Obama was behind ALL of it!

I actually would like to know who makes the final and official decision on these things.

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#12 2008-07-01 8:21 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I bet you guys wouldn't care were it not for the free speech zone used by the administration, which y'all wailed about. So you have to complain now, or your bias shows.

Free speech zones make sense. They make a lot of sense, they avoid anarchy and still allow the voice of dissent to be heard.

The guarantee the right to free speech of those whom the dissenters often want to silence with their yelling.


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#13 2008-07-01 8:57 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Free Speech Zones don't make a lot of sense. They don't make a lot of sense, they promote fascism, and don't allow the voice of dissent to be heard.


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#14 2008-07-01 9:09 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

The fact that the zones are carefully placed well out of sight of the convention show that the intent is to stifle free speech. I wasn't aware that the Democrats participated in that farce as well.

I'm very disappointed. Is this a response (still!) of the riots around the 1968 convention?


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#15 2008-07-01 9:28 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Rush Limbaugh has called for "riots" at the Democratic convention so as to re-create the events of 1966 and smear the Dem image. I'm sure this is at least partially an attempt to counter that strategy.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/4/25/91818/4950

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#16 2008-07-01 9:33 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I think it's about TV. Protests look bad, so they get shoved aside.


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#17 2008-07-01 9:37 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

However, to be fair, even though the results are going to impact the entire nation, technically a political convention IS a private event, unlike, say, a visit by a sitting President.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#18 2008-07-01 10:17 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

resedit wrote:

I bet you guys wouldn't care were it not for the free speech zone used by the administration, which y'all wailed about. So you have to complain now, or your bias shows.

Free speech zones make sense. They make a lot of sense, they avoid anarchy and still allow the voice of dissent to be heard.

The guarantee the right to free speech of those whom the dissenters often want to silence with their yelling.

Now that's a solid piece of trolling, there.  No wasted words, and included fascist ideas, too.

A job well done.


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#19 2008-07-01 11:02 am

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

A man is in bed with his wife when there is a knock on the door. He rolls over and looks at his clock -- it's half-past three in the morning.
"I'm not getting out of bed at this time", he thinks, and rolls over. Then, a louder knock follows. "Aren't you going to answer that?" says his wife. So, he drags himself out of bed and goes downstairs.
He opens the door and there is man standing at the door. It didn't take the homeowner long to realize the man was drunk. "Hi there," slurs the stranger, "Can you give me a push?"
"No. Get lost, it's half-past three. I was in bed," says the man and slams the door.
He goes back up to bed and tells his wife what happened and she says "Dave, that wasn't very nice of you.
Remember that night we broke down in the pouring rain on the way to pick the kids up from the baby-sitter and you had to knock on that man's door to get us started again? What would have happened if he'd told us to get lost?"
"But the guy was drunk," says the husband.
"It doesn't matter," says the wife. "He needs our help and it would be the Christian thing to help him."
So, the husband gets out of bed again, gets dressed and goes downstairs. He opens the door and, not being able to see the stranger anywhere he shouts: "Hey, do you still want a push?" and he hears a voice cry out "Yeah please."
So, still being unable to see the stranger, he shouts: "Where are you?"
And the stranger replies: "I'm over here, on your swing set."


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#20 2008-07-01 1:19 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

:giggle:

Anyway, I think Free Speech Zones in any form are absurd. But what I've read indicates that the Bush admin raised the idea to impressively oppressive levels. Like, the case of Andrew Wimmer who showed up to a presidential visit in St. Louis carrying a sign that said "invest in people, not war." He was arrested for refusing to move to a free speech zone three blocks away and down an embankment. But the lady he was standing next to, who was carrying a sign that said "Mr. President, we love you," was allowed to stay where she was.

In the case of the free speech zones used before Bush took office, they could at least pretend it was for people's safety. Post 9/11, when huge crowds of supporters are allowed to line the streets, while huge crowds of protesters are not, the facade of safety is shattered, and the intent to suppress dissent is revealed.

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#21 2008-07-01 3:40 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

I think "free speech zones" are one of the most visible "bad ideas" this country has had and allowed in a while. It's a clear and obvious step down the path to totalitarianism, and so few seem to care.

The argument of "it prevents chaos" that I see a lot is such a sham, it's sad that people don't see it. You can't, or rather, shouldn't, be able to lock people up because something bad might happen. It goes against pretty much everything this country, and most of western society, was supposed to stand for.


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#22 2008-07-01 3:52 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Neut wrote:

I think "free speech zones" are one of the most visible "bad ideas" this country has had and allowed in a while. It's a clear and obvious step down the path to totalitarianism, and so few seem to care.

The argument of "it prevents chaos" that I see a lot is such a sham, it's sad that people don't see it. You can't, or rather, shouldn't, be able to lock people up because something bad might happen. It goes against pretty much everything this country, and most of western society, was supposed to stand for.

Well said


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#23 2008-07-01 3:53 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Heh. "Free Speech Zones" is Orwellian "Newspeak" at its best. "You can have your free speech, but W-A-A-A-Y over there out of the way of the press and anything else of any importance. You're here to protest at the Democratic Convention in Denver? Get on this bus and it will take you the Free Speech Zone just outside of Cheyenne, Wyoming."

It was a bad idea first implemented under Clinton made even worse by Bush.


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#24 2008-07-01 3:55 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

D'Eyncourt wrote:

Heh. "Free Speech Zones" is Orwellian "Newspeak" at its best. "You can have your free speech, but W-A-A-A-Y over there out of the way of the press and anything else of any importance. You're here to protest at the Democratic Convention in Denver? Get on this bus and it will take you the Free Speech Zone just outside of Cheyenne, Wyoming."

Hehe, the US stole the idea of Minithink and put it to practice in the real world.


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#25 2008-07-01 3:56 pm

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Re: So ... remember the last Republican convention?

Hi Neut

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