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#1 2008-07-11 2:43 pm
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What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
I don't get what's wrong with it. People who know much more about such things than me swear it's a bad browser. Is it really?
I remember spyware issues from the Win 98 days, but that was quite a while ago.
I'm aware of reports of security holes, but all browsers get patched for such things.
I remember a challenged business model, but I don't care about that.
I recall something about standards compliance, but I've yet to be aware I'm missing out on anything on the WWW.
Tabs shmabs...
What is it?
It's not a movie.
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#2 2008-07-11 2:56 pm
Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
The spyware issues never really went away with it though they did diminish somewhat. The holes are still more prevalent than with any other browser and MS is typically more glacial with getting them all patched compared to other companies. The standard compliance is two fold. They adopt their own standard which more secure and feature rich competitors can't utilize yet can be accomplished with other more open technologies. This leaves plenty of sites on the net that can only be accessed using IE.
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#3 2008-07-11 3:31 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
Ribtorus wrote:
[snip]
What is it?
Um, it's from Microsoft--that isn't enough? 
It's not there are or are not security holes, it's that Microsoft has yet to patch some of them for IE, some of them years after discovery.
The Patch Tuesday system that Microsoft employs means that it is followed by Exploit Wednesday where the crackers backtrack what the fixes do and send out exploits to take advantage of those machines that haven't been fixed yet--there is even software which will help do the first part so it may become Patch Tuesday Morning and Exploit Tuesday Afternoon.
EDIT: added a needed comma.
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#4 2008-07-11 3:32 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
The main thing I see wrong with IE is the me-hostile user experience. I honestly cannot imagine how the web ever caught on if IE is how 90+% of users accessed it for so long. It is so horrible I cannot believe how horrible it is even as I use it, which is rarely and never for more than a minute or two. Maybe almost everyone else has a much, much, much, much (much) higher tolerance for bullsmurf than I do? In simple terms, the big thing "wrong" with IE seems to be the user base is a bunch of pre/early medieval Spanish Christian religious psychotics, fantasizing about drinking the menstrual blood of the Virgin Mary.
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#5 2008-07-11 4:18 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
I've used Firefox and Netscape and Opera and Safari.
I enter addresses or click on links and that's pretty much it. I'm there.
I must be missing something terribly important.
It's not a movie.
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#6 2008-07-11 4:45 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
Ribtorus wrote:
I must be missing something terribly important.
Or not. I've been planning on going FF3... I'll at least try it. But thru 4+ years of lightning, power interruptions and the like, this overpatched, aging install just keeps going, doing its job with no more than a nuke & pave needed to reclaim space on the C partition. More than 512M RAM would help, too...
I dream of UPSs and line conditioners I can't afford, but meanwhile the cable company is my biggest cause of downtime. No viruses, Trojans, rootkits and only a rare lockup, let alone crash.
It just sort of works. I heard that somewhere.
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#7 2008-07-11 4:49 pm
Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
I can sort of relate (I live in lightning alley and still cable is the biggest issue I see). I can send a link to APC's remanufactured catalog if it'd help.
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#8 2008-07-11 4:58 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
And just to be clear, this XP Pro SP1 went in in June '04. It's never been reinstalled.
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on Booksley)
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#9 2008-07-11 6:47 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
After FF and Safari and some other browsers had implemented tabbed browsing, IE waited 2 or 3 years, just to make sure it wasn't some silly fad.
Then they brought it in and said look how modern we are!
That and they still are behind in how to implement CSS 2.0
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#10 2008-07-11 7:44 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
sturner wrote:
After FF and Safari and some other browsers had implemented tabbed browsing, IE waited 2 or 3 years, just to make sure it wasn't some silly fad.
Then they brought it in and said look how modern we are!
That and they still are behind in how to implement CSS 2.0
And it matters because...?
It's not a movie.
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#11 2008-07-11 8:51 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
The copy of IE on my laptop came with an AOL toolbar pre-installed. I only used it long enough to download Firefox and Safari.
The main thing I don't like about IE is that it is intergraded into the Windows "finder", which seems to be a huge security risk to me.
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Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#12 2008-07-11 9:37 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
user wrote:
The main thing I don't like about IE is that it is intergraded into the Windows "finder", which seems to be a huge security risk to me.
Huh?
The copy of IE on my laptop came with an AOL toolbar pre-installed. I only used it long enough to download Firefox and Safari.
User, speaking of security- do not use Safari for Windows. Seriously. Especially with FF on the same machine.
Apple finally fixed a "carpet bombing" flaw in the Windows version of its Safari web browser, but security researchers warn that the consumer electronics giant's patch only provides partial relief from bugs involving the interaction of Safari and other browser packages.
A flaw that meant Safari automatically downloaded executable files based on IE zone settings was one of three vulnerabilties in the browser addressed in an update published by Apple on Thursday.
The other two updates addressed errors in processing image files that created a memory disclosure risk and a memory corruption flaw involving the handling of JavaScript arrays.
Upgrading to version 3.1.2 addresses all three bugs, according to Apple.
However, security researcher Billy Rios warns that the "carpet bombing" fix is only partial. If Safari is used on a system where Firefox is also installed it might be possible to steal arbitary files, he warns. The flaw, like the carpet bombing bug before it, involves a blended threat concerning how Safari and other browser packages work together. Rios is holding back details of the bug pending a release from Apple. ®
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/0 … _security/ (23 Jun 2008 12:34)
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#13 2008-07-11 9:42 pm
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When you upgrade IE it tends to upgrade explorer in Windows as well. This level of interconnectivity can and has bit many users in the ass.
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#14 2008-07-12 5:24 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
I do all my web development in Firefox, because it the best browser for it, period. You install Firebug, which is platform-agnostic, and you have yourself a complete debugging environment, on my Mac and on my PC. I also prefer the user interface; IE7's interface just bothers me. In terms of new features in Firefox 3.0, I actually really like the Awesome Bar (it's actually called that... which is awesome). The lowered RAM usage is nice too.
Different strokes for different folks I guess
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#15 2008-07-15 8:06 am
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
MS takes a bit longer than Mozilla to patch security flaws, and it's a bigger target. Other than that, I just like FF's interface better. I kinda wish Safari had "find as you type," but I still use Safari on the Mac.
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#16 2008-07-15 10:48 am
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
http://www.maclife.com/forums/topic/106646
That might well explain what's wrong with IE.
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#17 2008-07-15 2:36 pm
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
Since Win 98 (I think) and maybe IE 5 the program had an "advanced" option to clear temporary folders as it closed. Maybe I'm naive but I always thought that was convenient and reassuring to me as a user.
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#18 2008-07-17 7:47 am
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Re: What's wrong with Internet Explorer?
dvpierce wrote:
http://www.maclife.com/forums/topic/106646
That might well explain what's wrong with IE.
You might want to revisit that thread. Google has some issues too.
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