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And that worse than a dangerous, mentally disturbed, fascist cookie cutter politician using a retardedly dangerous, floor scraping of a president's playbook?

Indeed

Daddyo wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
What's going on, are libs starting to see Obama for what he is, a dangerous, socialist cookie cutter politician?

Yes he is losing is shine and no not for any of the retarded "reasons" you gave.

Obama is no where near as energetic as he was during the primary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0OReiy … re=related

It seems the election is really starting to wear on him.

Tallgeese wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Yet only a naive 20 year old or a dirty filthy hippy would be actually considering voting for Nader instead, or staying at home.

You were saying something?

*sigh*

Well, at least he lives somewhere that it won't matter, but why take the chance this year?  Plus Nader is nothing more than an ego-maniac at this point and ruined any deserved legacy as far as I'm concerned.

Plus at this point it's very important, after winning the Electoral College, to show a decent sized popular vote "mandate" should Obama win.

edit:  here's an interesting link about this very topic

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Tallgeese wrote:

Daddyo wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
What's going on, are libs starting to see Obama for what he is, a dangerous, socialist cookie cutter politician?

Yes he is losing is shine and no not for any of the retarded "reasons" you gave.

So what retarded reasons do you see for the gloss loss?

I do live in a safe Democratic state. Obama will take CA, there's no doubt about that. So I don't feel guilty at all about voting for another candidate. I think more on the left in safe states should do the same. Those in swing states should suck it up and vote for Obama.

This pretty well illustrates the fact that there really is no party for the left in the US. It's either vote right or center-right. Kinda sucks if you're a liberal.

Tallgeese wrote:

After he was nominated, he started the traditional post-primary run to the center and the left wing feels betrayed - partly because he's acting like another typical politician whose real positions are unknown and partly because he may be as center-right as he's started acting.

He's either as centrist as Clinton or a stealth extremist like Bush.

Hence the retarded cookie cutter statement. He sold himself as the candidate of change and then started acting like all the other smurf politicians.

So the "left"or progressives need to run just like W did, with his "compassionate conservatism" "uniter not divider" bullsmurf followed by the most partisan and divisive presidency in decades? Why should we trust anyone, left or right, who does such a thing?

Tallgeese wrote:

So the "left"or progressives need to run just like W did, with his "compassionate conservatism" "uniter not divider" bullsmurf followed by the most partisan and divisive presidency in decades? Why should we trust anyone, left or right, who does such a thing?

He has to run his campaign to win nationally. How he actually runs his presidency is another matter.

It amazes me how everyone can make their minds up about all of this stuff within a month of his securing the actual presumptive nomination.

Speaking of the Green Party...