Quantcast

Forums | MacLife

You are not logged in.

#1 2008-07-13 8:46 am

Daddyo
hoochie coochie man
From: the last juke joint
Registered: 2004-01-24
Posts: 1883

Is Obama losing his shine?

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont … cking_poll
What's going on, are libs starting to see Obama for what he is, a dangerous, socialist cookie cutter politician?


A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years.
A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
Hope and change could be forever.

Offline

 

#2 2008-07-13 8:54 am

ScifiterX
婚約中
Moderator
From: NW Palm Bay, Florida
Registered: 2000-02-10
Posts: 18097
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

And that worse than a dangerous, mentally disturbed, fascist cookie cutter politician using a retardedly dangerous, floor scraping of a president's playbook?

Offline

 

#3 2008-07-13 9:01 am

Pithecanthropus
Roast Master
From: St. Cloud, MN
Registered: 2002-12-30
Posts: 4457
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

The only poll that matters is the one in November.


Grandfatherly advice:  You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.

Offline

 

#4 2008-07-13 9:02 am

ScifiterX
婚約中
Moderator
From: NW Palm Bay, Florida
Registered: 2000-02-10
Posts: 18097
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Indeed

Offline

 

#5 2008-07-13 9:05 am

Daddyo
hoochie coochie man
From: the last juke joint
Registered: 2004-01-24
Posts: 1883

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Pithecanthropus wrote:

The only poll that matters is the one in November.

I actually agree with you.


A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years.
A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
Hope and change could be forever.

Offline

 

#6 2008-07-13 11:03 am

Tallgeese
Sternly Advising
From: Pool Party
Registered: 2000-10-17
Posts: 34114

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Daddyo wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
What's going on, are libs starting to see Obama for what he is, a dangerous, socialist cookie cutter politician?

Yes he is losing is shine and no not for any of the retarded "reasons" you gave.


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

Offline

 

#7 2008-07-13 12:28 pm

bedstuy
Archimandrite, Eastern Elite
From: King Cole Bar, St. Regis Hotel
Registered: 2003-09-20
Posts: 13629

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Yet only a naive 20 year old or a dirty filthy hippy would be actually considering voting for Nader instead, or staying at home.

Offline

 

#8 2008-07-13 12:40 pm

mo' ron
PS3 4 EVA
From: NC, USA
Registered: 2002-10-15
Posts: 14257

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Obama is no where near as energetic as he was during the primary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0OReiy … re=related

It seems the election is really starting to wear on him.


What is the difference between Vista and OSX?
- Microsoft employees are excited about OSX.

Offline

 

#9 2008-07-13 12:51 pm

Tallgeese
Sternly Advising
From: Pool Party
Registered: 2000-10-17
Posts: 34114

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

bedstuy wrote:

Yet only a naive 20 year old or a dirty filthy hippy would be actually considering voting for Nader instead, or staying at home.

You were saying something?


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

Offline

 

#10 2008-07-13 1:04 pm

bedstuy
Archimandrite, Eastern Elite
From: King Cole Bar, St. Regis Hotel
Registered: 2003-09-20
Posts: 13629

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Tallgeese wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Yet only a naive 20 year old or a dirty filthy hippy would be actually considering voting for Nader instead, or staying at home.

You were saying something?

*sigh*

Well, at least he lives somewhere that it won't matter, but why take the chance this year?  Plus Nader is nothing more than an ego-maniac at this point and ruined any deserved legacy as far as I'm concerned.

Plus at this point it's very important, after winning the Electoral College, to show a decent sized popular vote "mandate" should Obama win.

edit:  here's an interesting link about this very topic

Last edited by bedstuy (2008-07-13 2:19 pm)

Offline

 

#11 2008-07-13 5:26 pm

matt
a very bad matt
Registered: 1999-09-16
Posts: 16688
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

With topic titles like this one, I have to ask this question.

Do you work for the news media?

You are very good at posting a leading question as if it were a statement.


Being loud: The next best thing to being right.

Do not click here.

Offline

 

#12 2008-07-13 6:06 pm

Daddyo
hoochie coochie man
From: the last juke joint
Registered: 2004-01-24
Posts: 1883

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Tallgeese wrote:

Daddyo wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
What's going on, are libs starting to see Obama for what he is, a dangerous, socialist cookie cutter politician?

Yes he is losing is shine and no not for any of the retarded "reasons" you gave.

So what retarded reasons do you see for the gloss loss?


A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years.
A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
Hope and change could be forever.

Offline

 

#13 2008-07-13 6:15 pm

Tallgeese
Sternly Advising
From: Pool Party
Registered: 2000-10-17
Posts: 34114

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

It's pretty simple. He got the support of the youth vote and the left wing of the Democratic Party by portraying himself as a liberal and Clinton as too conservative. This propelled him to the nomination. After he was nominated, he started the traditional post-primary run to the center and the left wing feels betrayed - partly because he's acting like another typical politician whose real positions are unknown and partly because he may be as center-right as he's started acting.

He's either as centrist as Clinton or a stealth extremist like Bush.


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

Offline

 

#14 2008-07-13 6:24 pm

robco
Curmudgeon
From: Sodom
Registered: 2004-12-04
Posts: 7949
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

I do live in a safe Democratic state. Obama will take CA, there's no doubt about that. So I don't feel guilty at all about voting for another candidate. I think more on the left in safe states should do the same. Those in swing states should suck it up and vote for Obama.

This pretty well illustrates the fact that there really is no party for the left in the US. It's either vote right or center-right. Kinda sucks if you're a liberal.


It is an odd thing, but every one who disappears is said to be seen at San Francisco. It must be a delightful city, and possess all the attractions of the next world.
- Oscar Wilde

Offline

 

#15 2008-07-13 6:30 pm

Farmerkev
Official Dementor
Moderator
Registered: 2003-01-03
Posts: 18626

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

robco wrote:

I do live in a safe Democratic state. Obama will take CA, there's no doubt about that. So I don't feel guilty at all about voting for another candidate. I think more on the left in safe states should do the same. Those in swing states should suck it up and vote for Obama.

This pretty well illustrates the fact that there really is no party for the left in the US. It's either vote right or center-right. Kinda sucks if you're a liberal.

Hard to fight numbers.


Do your part to combat global warming.
Eat a cow.

Offline

 

#16 2008-07-13 6:37 pm

Daddyo
hoochie coochie man
From: the last juke joint
Registered: 2004-01-24
Posts: 1883

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Tallgeese wrote:

After he was nominated, he started the traditional post-primary run to the center and the left wing feels betrayed - partly because he's acting like another typical politician whose real positions are unknown and partly because he may be as center-right as he's started acting.

He's either as centrist as Clinton or a stealth extremist like Bush.

Hence the retarded cookie cutter statement. He sold himself as the candidate of change and then started acting like all the other smurf politicians.


A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years.
A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.
Hope and change could be forever.

Offline

 

#17 2008-07-13 6:59 pm

Ribtorus
Member
Registered: 2002-07-11
Posts: 13758

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he is doing what needs to be done so he can take the White House and effect the sort of change he originally set out to do. He's playing the electioneering game which is quite apart from governance and policy. That's par for the course.  Of course is opponents would prefer a stalwart, well meaning, high principled loser.

If the "left" or progressives can't figure out what it takes to win elections nationally then they have no business campaigning.


when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...

Offline

 

#18 2008-07-13 7:23 pm

Tallgeese
Sternly Advising
From: Pool Party
Registered: 2000-10-17
Posts: 34114

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

So the "left"or progressives need to run just like W did, with his "compassionate conservatism" "uniter not divider" bullsmurf followed by the most partisan and divisive presidency in decades? Why should we trust anyone, left or right, who does such a thing?


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

Offline

 

#19 2008-07-13 7:40 pm

matt
a very bad matt
Registered: 1999-09-16
Posts: 16688
Website

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

You don't have to trust such people, but those people are the people who are going to run the government.


Being loud: The next best thing to being right.

Do not click here.

Offline

 

#20 2008-07-13 7:46 pm

Ribtorus
Member
Registered: 2002-07-11
Posts: 13758

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

Tallgeese wrote:

So the "left"or progressives need to run just like W did, with his "compassionate conservatism" "uniter not divider" bullsmurf followed by the most partisan and divisive presidency in decades? Why should we trust anyone, left or right, who does such a thing?

He has to run his campaign to win nationally. How he actually runs his presidency is another matter.


when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...

Offline

 

#21 2008-07-13 8:10 pm

bedstuy
Archimandrite, Eastern Elite
From: King Cole Bar, St. Regis Hotel
Registered: 2003-09-20
Posts: 13629

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

robco wrote:

I do live in a safe Democratic state. Obama will take CA, there's no doubt about that. So I don't feel guilty at all about voting for another candidate. I think more on the left in safe states should do the same. Those in swing states should suck it up and vote for Obama.

This pretty well illustrates the fact that there really is no party for the left in the US. It's either vote right or center-right. Kinda sucks if you're a liberal.

You're a liberal?

Offline

 

#22 2008-07-13 8:13 pm

bedstuy
Archimandrite, Eastern Elite
From: King Cole Bar, St. Regis Hotel
Registered: 2003-09-20
Posts: 13629

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

It amazes me how everyone can make their minds up about all of this stuff within a month of his securing the actual presumptive nomination.

Offline

 

#23 2008-07-13 8:38 pm

Jdude
Surfing on waterboarders
From: Home is where the war is
Registered: 2003-02-03
Posts: 2702

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

robco wrote:

I do live in a safe Democratic state. Obama will take CA, there's no doubt about that. So I don't feel guilty at all about voting for another candidate. I think more on the left in safe states should do the same. Those in swing states should suck it up and vote for Obama.

This pretty well illustrates the fact that there really is no party for the left in the US. It's either vote right or center-right. Kinda sucks if you're a liberal.

Obama is the second most left person in the Senate. Just how left are you?


Sometimes before replying to a topic, I think to myself: I am just so original!

Offline

 

#24 2008-07-13 9:34 pm

Tallgeese
Sternly Advising
From: Pool Party
Registered: 2000-10-17
Posts: 34114

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

Offline

 

#25 2008-07-14 8:04 am

bratboy
laden with emotion
Royal Wombat
From: Austin, Texas
Registered: 2003-01-19
Posts: 34106

Re: Is Obama losing his shine?

This poll is an outlier.  He's leading pretty much everywhere. 

Then consider the state-by-state polling.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

Offline

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB 1.2.6
© Copyright 2002–2005 Rickard Andersson