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bratboy · 2008-07-16 6:57 pm

Oh good, resedit and everlong defending Lieberman. Surely he's been misjudged!

lol

jerwin · 2008-07-16 7:00 pm

Most Democrats think that the war in Iraq is hardly reasonable.

Tallgeese · 2008-07-16 7:06 pm

everlong205 wrote:
resedit wrote:
Jdude wrote:

Obama is the second most left person in the Senate. Just how left are you?
By his voting record that seems to be the case - but many of his recent statements and the way he voted on the telecom bill are more moderate than left. Hopefully this means he is a reasonable Democrat (like Lieberman) and is starting to see reason.
Er, Lieberman is not really a democrat anymore though. He was excommunicated for his nonadherance to the non reasonable party stance.

As I asked earlier: Losing a primary is "excommunicated" or "booted from the party" ?

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:24 pm

Tallgeese wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
resedit wrote:

By his voting record that seems to be the case - but many of his recent statements and the way he voted on the telecom bill are more moderate than left. Hopefully this means he is a reasonable Democrat (like Lieberman) and is starting to see reason.
Er, Lieberman is not really a democrat anymore though. He was excommunicated for his nonadherance to the non reasonable party stance.
As I asked earlier: Losing a primary is "excommunicated" or "booted from the party" ?

He had to run as an independent.

jerwin · 2008-07-16 7:26 pm

That's why we have primaries. We vote for the candidate we want to nominate. Kind of Democratic, isn't it?

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everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:26 pm

bratboy wrote:
Oh good, resedit and everlong defending Lieberman. Surely he's been misjudged!

He's one of the few democrats in office I would defend at this moment in time. But note, only 8 years ago he was democratic enough for Gore to make him his vice presidential choice.

jerwin · 2008-07-16 7:28 pm

everlong205 wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Oh good, resedit and everlong defending Lieberman. Surely he's been misjudged!

He's one of the few democrats in office I would defend at this moment in time. But note, only 8 years ago he was democratic enough for Gore to make him his vice presidential choice.

And would you have defended him then?

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:29 pm

jerwin wrote:
That's why we have primaries. We vote for the candidate we want to nominate. Kind of Democratic, isn't it?

He still won though didnt he? So he won, but had to give up his Democrat/Democratic label to do so.

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:31 pm

jerwin wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
bratboy wrote:
Oh good, resedit and everlong defending Lieberman. Surely he's been misjudged!

He's one of the few democrats in office I would defend at this moment in time. But note, only 8 years ago he was democratic enough for Gore to make him his vice presidential choice.
And would you have defended him then?

Here's a secret, which might shock you. I actually voted for Gore/Lieberman. eek

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Tallgeese · 2008-07-16 7:37 pm

everlong205 wrote:
jerwin wrote:
That's why we have primaries. We vote for the candidate we want to nominate. Kind of Democratic, isn't it?
He still won though didnt he? So he won, but had to give up his Democrat/Democratic label to do so.

...because he lost the primary. Was Reagan "excommunicated" when he lost the 1976 primary?

bedstuy · 2008-07-16 7:40 pm

bratboy wrote:
Oh good, resedit and everlong defending Lieberman. Surely he's been misjudged!

Stop being so unreasonable.

Tallgeese · 2008-07-16 7:40 pm

Are Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Mike Huckabee, Bill Bradley, and Dick Lugar party exiles because they could not have won office under their party's flag?

bedstuy · 2008-07-16 7:42 pm

everlong205 wrote:
Here's a secret, which might shock you. I actually voted for Gore/Lieberman.

Please do not lie on the internet.

bedstuy · 2008-07-16 7:44 pm

It's a good thing Chuck Hagel is retiring. I bet he'd get "excommunicated" from the GOP during the next primary in Nebraska.

I can't believe the BS that comes out of some folks.

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:50 pm

bedstuy wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
Here's a secret, which might shock you. I actually voted for Gore/Lieberman.
Please do not lie on the internet.

I'm not lying.

(THough, if there's anyplace where lying is allowed, I assume its the internet).

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everlong554 · 2008-07-16 7:51 pm

Tallgeese wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
jerwin wrote:
That's why we have primaries. We vote for the candidate we want to nominate. Kind of Democratic, isn't it?
He still won though didnt he? So he won, but had to give up his Democrat/Democratic label to do so.
...because he lost the primary. Was Reagan "excommunicated" when he lost the 1976 primary?

ah, Ned Lamont. I remember him well. Whatever happened to that guy?

bratboy · 2008-07-16 7:51 pm

bedstuy wrote:
I can't believe the BS that comes out of some folks.

Oh come on, sure you can.

bratboy · 2008-07-16 7:53 pm

everlong205 wrote:
ah, Ned Lamont. I remember him well. Whatever happened to that guy?

Does that affect his point somehow?

bratboy · 2008-07-16 7:58 pm

U.S. Rep. Chris Cannon, a conservative Republican who lost his primary to an opponent who accused him of not being conservative enough, said Wednesday that his defeat frees him to move on to pursue other opportunities.

Excommunication! Oh noes!

WASHINGTON (Feb. 13, 2008) - Maryland Sen. Andy Harris' defeat of nine-term incumbent Republican Rep. Wayne Gilchrest Tuesday would seem to seal the deal for him in a district that historically votes Republican, but Democratic nominee Frank Kratovil says just wait and see.

How terribly unreasonable.

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 8:07 pm

Tallgeese wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
resedit wrote:

By his voting record that seems to be the case - but many of his recent statements and the way he voted on the telecom bill are more moderate than left. Hopefully this means he is a reasonable Democrat (like Lieberman) and is starting to see reason.
Er, Lieberman is not really a democrat anymore though. He was excommunicated for his nonadherance to the non reasonable party stance.
As I asked earlier: Losing a primary is "excommunicated" or "booted from the party" ?

after trying to root him out the libs then tried to remove him from his chairmanship.
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … 4903.story

What exactly is the issue with the use of the word excommunication in the context of Lieberman?

bratboy · 2008-07-16 8:10 pm

everlong205 wrote:
What exactly is the issue with the use of the word excommunication in the context of Lieberman?

...and to think, he's only guilty of shilling for the current administration and supporting the GOP candidate for president.

Unreasonable!

resedit · 2008-07-16 8:54 pm

ScifiterX wrote:
Hell most things are ripoffs these days. Most of us would guess that it was a ripoff of something even if we couldn't identify what.

It's a rip off of one of the most popular evangelical "feel good" songs in recent history.

bedstuy · 2008-07-16 8:56 pm

bratboy wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
I can't believe the BS that comes out of some folks.
Oh come on, sure you can.

mock outrage, my dear

everlong554 · 2008-07-16 9:28 pm

bratboy wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
What exactly is the issue with the use of the word excommunication in the context of Lieberman?
...and to think, he's only guilty of shilling for the current administration and supporting the GOP candidate for president.

Unreasonable!

Hes "shilling" for the current administration on one point only, and its the same reason he is for Mcain, and thats because of his support for the war.

And he similarly supported Clinton when he was waging war against Iraq, and treating Iraq as a threat. His position hasn't changed.

It's his cohorts that got all wobbly kneed and developed amnesia about what they knew prior to Bush, and all becuase they wanted to get themselves elected.

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jerwin · 2008-07-16 9:39 pm

everlong205 wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
Er, Lieberman is not really a democrat anymore though. He was excommunicated for his nonadherance to the non reasonable party stance.
As I asked earlier: Losing a primary is "excommunicated" or "booted from the party" ?
after trying to root him out the libs then tried to remove him from his chairmanship.
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc … 4903.story

What exactly is the issue with the use of the word excommunication in the context of Lieberman?

Given that Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats, excommunication is hardly the right word.

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