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#1 2008-07-14 8:35 pm
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Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Videotape of six-hour interrogation of seriously wounded fifteen-year-old suspect to be released
The release of the video, expected tomorrow, comes amid fresh accounts of abuse the Canadian teen suffered at the hands of his American captors. Documents released under Canadian court order last week show the teenager had been subject to sleep deprivation and other abuse to soften him up for interrogation.
The accounts by Canadian intelligence officials contradicted Ottawa's assurances that the Toronto-born Khadr had been well treated by his captors.
A 10-minute "highlight" of the video is to be released on the Internet (and can be seen at thestar.com) at 5 a.m. ET tomorrow and all 7.5 hours of material on five DVDs were to be released later in the day.
Edney warned some of the footage was of poor quality, and parts of the audio had been redacted for national security reasons.
He compared the situation to that of Australian David Hicks, whose government left him to languish in Guantanamo until public pressure forced them to demand his return.
"Is there sufficient outrage in which to push the Canadian government?" Edney said. "I don't see that yet."
I'll be interested to see if this finally gets Ottawa to take action on this, or if the PM will continue to be indifferent. I agree with the assessment that there still isn't a huge amount of support for getting the kid out, but it is growing. And the issue of human rights could, in theory, become an election issue.
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#2 2008-07-14 9:30 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Jesus. 
Maha Elsamnah told The Canadian Press she doesn't know if she'll be able to bear to watch the seven-hour video of the interrogation, which was conducted in February 2003 – just six months after the 15-year-old Khadr was badly injured in a firefight with American troops.
"I'm a mother – I'm scared to see it," an emotional Elsamnah said in an interview.
"I hope I can gather all my strength. It's not something nice to see. I hope I can handle it."
Don't watch it, babe. How stupid are you? 
The Khadrs were once personal friends of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, a relationship fostered by the family patriarch.
In a TV interview several years ago, Elsamnah angered Canadians by expressing sympathy for Al Qaeda but said today that that shouldn't cloud the suffering inflicted on her teenage son.
"Whatever I said or whatever I did – or his father – that's not his fault. He's been through hell for six years," she said.
I guess that answers that question. 
Elsamnah said she wasn't surprised Canadian intelligence officials would try to turn abuse of her son to their advantage. After all, she noted, they did the same thing when they interrogated Khadr's older brother Abdullah when he was in custody in Pakistan.
How coincidental. Both her sons have been arrested for terrorism. Couldn't possibly be something that runs in the family, now, could it?
"It seems like a dictatorship: If the prime minister or president says something, it goes – even if the whole public doesn't like it," Elsamnah said.
What the hell makes her think the whole public doesn't like it? Just because she doesn't like it she thinks the whole smurfing public doesn't, either? I've only browsed the first of 3 pages of comments at the bottom of the article, but I didn't see a single one that's the slightest bit sympathetic to this Al Qaeda bitch or her low-life offspring. The prevailing view seems to be more along the lines of "deport them to hell," and I couldn't agree more.
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#3 2008-07-14 10:00 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
So is Gitmo punishment? Like a jail?
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#4 2008-07-14 10:02 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
without the inmate gang rapes, i understand.
...and watch out for the flying meat!
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#5 2008-07-14 10:12 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
ShnickyShnack wrote:
So is Gitmo punishment? Like a jail?
Yeah, Shnicky, it is. That's the sort of place you can end up in if you get into a firefight with American troops. Come on, dude, smell some coffee here, will ya, please? This kid's family was all buddy-buddy with OSAMA, right? Am I supposed to believe that he just accidentally wandered from Canada to Afghanistan and happened to be passing by when the firefight ensued? bullsmurf. And his mother, when given the opportunity to denounce Al Qaeda, instead praises them? Now, come on, dude, why the hell do you want this loser turned loose? (if you actually do want him turned loose ... you didn't seem really committed to that, actually)
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#6 2008-07-14 10:13 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Duke Stratosphere wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
So is Gitmo punishment? Like a jail?
Yeah, Shnicky, it is. That's the sort of place you can end up in if you get into a firefight with American troops. Come on, dude, smell some coffee here, will ya, please? This kid's family was all buddy-buddy with OSAMA, right? Am I supposed to believe that he just accidentally wandered from Canada to Afghanistan and happened to be passing by when the firefight ensued? bullsmurf. And his mother, when given the opportunity to denounce Al Qaeda, instead praises them? Now, come on, dude, why the hell do you want this loser turned loose? (if you actually do want him turned loose ... you didn't seem really committed to that, actually)
So is getting into a firefight with US troops enough to get there, or does there have to be something more?
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#7 2008-07-14 10:16 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Seems like there was both in this case.
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#8 2008-07-14 10:17 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
So there was a crime committed in other words.
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#9 2008-07-14 10:22 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Not enough information to make that determination.
Reasonable suspicion seems probable.
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#10 2008-07-14 10:24 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Duke Stratosphere wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
So is Gitmo punishment? Like a jail?
Yeah, Shnicky, it is. That's the sort of place you can end up in if you get into a firefight with American troops. Come on, dude, smell some coffee here, will ya, please? This kid's family was all buddy-buddy with OSAMA, right? Am I supposed to believe that he just accidentally wandered from Canada to Afghanistan and happened to be passing by when the firefight ensued? bullsmurf. And his mother, when given the opportunity to denounce Al Qaeda, instead praises them? Now, come on, dude, why the hell do you want this loser turned loose? (if you actually do want him turned loose ... you didn't seem really committed to that, actually)
So is getting into a firefight with US troops enough to get there, or does there have to be something more?
No, there doesn't have to be anything more than getting into a firefight with US troops, especially under the circumstances of this person's detainment. He's lucky he survived the experience at all.
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#11 2008-07-14 10:56 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
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Not enough information to make that determination.
Reasonable suspicion seems probable.
No known crime, no trial, no lawyer, no information -- but it's reasonable to lock him away at an extralegal detention centre?
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#12 2008-07-14 11:23 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
Not enough information to make that determination.
Reasonable suspicion seems probable.No known crime,
Oh, come on. Participating in a firefight with Al Qaeda against American forces, while not exactly a crime in the technical sense, is a pretty stupid smurfing thing to do and you can bet your ass that that kind of stupidity is going to have consequences.
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no trial,
Why the hell should there be? He was there and that's pretty much all we need to know.
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no lawyer,
What? Do you even read your own links? I thawt you wuz a jernalist.
While Khadr's supporters have claimed for years he was tortured in custody, his lawyers say the latest revelations have finally caught the attention of a Canadian public that's growing less willing to sacrifice human rights in the name of national security.
(emphasis added)
That's right ... lawyers, as in plural, which sort of implies that he has more than one. Whenever I've had a brush with the law I was lucky to have one smurfing lawyer. How does this scumbag terrorist sonofabitch rate better legal representation than I do? I don't suppose his ties to the bin Laden family have anything to do with that, do they?
no information --
Looks to me like there's plenty of information about him floating around, or we wouldn't be discussing him, would we?
but it's reasonable to lock him away at an extralegal detention centre?
No, that's just costing us taxpayers money every time he eats, the fat smurfer. It would have been more reasonable to just dump him in the Atlantic from whatever ship carried his sorry ass to Cuba from Afghanistan and be done with the whole debate.
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#13 2008-07-15 12:30 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
That's right ... lawyers, as in plural, which sort of implies that he has more than one. Whenever I've had a brush with the law I was lucky to have one smurfing lawyer. How does this scumbag terrorist sonofabitch rate better legal representation than I do? I don't suppose his ties to the bin Laden family have anything to do with that, do they?
So, tell us what happened... Did you kill the guy in cold blood? We want details!
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#14 2008-07-15 8:05 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Listen, BUSH has TIES to the Bin Laden family.
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#15 2008-07-15 8:08 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
user wrote:
Listen, BUSH has TIES to the Bin Laden family.
I'm fairly certain none of the Bush's have taken up arms with AQ groups and shot at troops though.
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#16 2008-07-15 8:13 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Bush has placed troops lives at risk.
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#17 2008-07-15 8:17 am
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I think there's an important distinction there someplace.
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#18 2008-07-15 8:28 am
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Yeah he's doing it over there so they won't have to do it over here. 
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#19 2008-07-15 8:30 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Farmerkev wrote:
user wrote:
Listen, BUSH has TIES to the Bin Laden family.
I'm fairly certain none of the Bush's have taken up arms with AQ groups and shot at troops though.
There are tens of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan taking up arms against the US. Why aren't they sent to Gitmo when they're captured?
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#20 2008-07-15 8:53 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
ScifiterX wrote:
Yeah he's doing it over there so they won't have to do it over here.
BRING IT ON!!
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#21 2008-07-15 9:31 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Well if he was in US custody he must be a terrorist... just like all the guys in Gitmo.
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#22 2008-07-15 10:17 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Call me un-American, but shooting at US troops as they invade your farm / province / country isn't a terrible crime. And its not like the US has bombed many innocent civilians in Afghanistan, to really rile up people.
Besides, look at Iraq, the American government is arming Sunni groups that used to attack our troops.
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#23 2008-07-15 11:23 am
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
JakeTheTall wrote:
Call me un-American, but shooting at US troops as they invade your farm / province / country isn't a terrible crime. And its not like the US has bombed many innocent civilians in Afghanistan, to really rile up people.
Besides, look at Iraq, the American government is arming Sunni groups that used to attack our troops.
This guy apparently lived in Canada and when to afghanistan. So he wasn't defending his home or country, he was fighting against our soldiers.
At worst, from what's been posted so far, he's a POW, but then you run in to all the spin about not being at war/not being an enemy soldier, or whatever else justification people use for unsavory ethical issues regarding 15 year olds.
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#24 2008-07-15 1:11 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
I don't believe that the video has yet been posted. So, here it is
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#25 2008-07-15 4:09 pm
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Re: Coming up: video of interrogation of terror suspect
Farmerkev wrote:
user wrote:
Listen, BUSH has TIES to the Bin Laden family.
I'm fairly certain none of the Bush's have taken up arms with AQ groups and shot at troops though.
But it's ok if they financed him? Just asking. 
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