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#26 2008-07-22 6:31 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

Tallgeese wrote:

The OP article has a point. I don't eat Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts muffins but I really never would have guessed that they were over 350 calories. I mean, it's one thing to know that if your lunch varies from going down to the Burger King and going down to the KFC, you're not healthy but who expects a muffin to be practically a meal's worth of fat?

If you're surprised to hear how many calories are in muffins, you might be surprised to hear that one ounce of peanuts contains 170 calories and 14 grams of fat (and that link points to Planters' web site). So if someone were to eat just a handful of peanuts(~2 ounces), they would have just eaten 340 calories and a little less than half of their daily recommended fat. Just a handful of pecans contains 400 calories and 64% of the daily recommended fat.

Or one bag of microwave popcorn? It contains 210 calories, but 14 grams of fat, again, just under half of the daily recommended fat.

I am not convinced that obesity is entirely due to overeating. It seems likely that ignorance of the fat and calorie contents of food is a major cause.


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#27 2008-07-22 6:40 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

There are calories and then there are calories.
Nutritionally - they are not all equal.


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#28 2008-07-22 6:43 am

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Oh - and I think both the automobile and television had greatly reduced the number of calories the average American burns in a day.


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#29 2008-07-22 2:08 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

sturner wrote:

How about disclosure laws for sex?

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#30 2008-07-22 2:12 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

"This contract looks good, but I think the 'oral sex' clause is a little.....sticky."


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#31 2008-07-22 2:15 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

resedit wrote:

Oh - and I think both the automobile and television had greatly reduced the number of calories the average American burns in a day.

Perhaps walkability has diminished substantially over the past few decades.


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#32 2008-07-22 2:35 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

They should change the laws and make it easier to open a pub. A small non-assuming little place in the middle of a giant neighborhood. One that people can WALK to and from.

Like Scotland.


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#33 2008-07-22 2:42 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

In "Armed and Dangerous", when you need to restore your health, you go into a pub.


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#34 2008-07-22 10:12 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

jerwin wrote:

resedit wrote:

Oh - and I think both the automobile and television had greatly reduced the number of calories the average American burns in a day.

Perhaps walkability has diminished substantially over the past few decades.

What the hell is walkability?


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#35 2008-07-22 10:30 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

resedit wrote:

jerwin wrote:

resedit wrote:

Oh - and I think both the automobile and television had greatly reduced the number of calories the average American burns in a day.

Perhaps walkability has diminished substantially over the past few decades.

What the hell is walkability?

http://www.walkscore.com/


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#36 2008-07-22 11:23 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

resedit wrote:

jerwin wrote:

resedit wrote:

Oh - and I think both the automobile and television had greatly reduced the number of calories the average American burns in a day.

Perhaps walkability has diminished substantially over the past few decades.

What the hell is walkability?

The ability to conduct your life walking opposed to driving. Like how I live 2 blocks away from a grocery store.


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#37 2008-07-22 11:44 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

It is so convenient to be able to shop for ingredients while still technically in the process of cooking...


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#38 2008-07-22 11:48 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

Chickenhawk wrote:

resedit wrote:

jerwin wrote:


Perhaps walkability has diminished substantially over the past few decades.

What the hell is walkability?

The ability to conduct your life walking opposed to driving. Like how I live 2 blocks away from a grocery store.

You can still live that way. I do. It's a 20 minute walk, not two blocks, to the grocery store.
The problem is people have gotten lazy. Why walk 20 minutes when you can hop in your car or call for delivery?

This btw is why I don't buy all the bull smurf about how bad this country is doing economically.
We still live like spoiled rotten brats.


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#39 2008-07-23 12:11 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

Uh, in the town my parents live in, you can walk to the nearest grocery store from where they live, however, you take your life into your own hands in doing so. The other, better grocery stores are further, roughly a 20 minute drive. This is in the suburbs of central NJ too, not anywhere rural.


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#40 2008-07-23 12:13 am

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Not to mention that a 20 minute walk is a bit hard to do with frozen goods in the summer heat.


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#41 2008-07-23 5:05 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

Chickenhawk wrote:

Not to mention that a 20 minute walk is a bit hard to do with frozen goods in the summer heat.

Not really - you just do it in the early morning or late evening. Cloth grocery bags fit nicely over the shoulder.

Granted, can't buy large quantity, but it's very doable.


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#42 2008-07-23 6:10 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

. . . about time somebody did this. It certainly won't solve the entire problem but half a loaf is better than none. people also need to 1. exercise  2. learn to cook.

I'm for minimally processed food, all the addatives, trans fats, and other stuff is bound to affect the way the body processes protein, carb, and fat. It's becoming more and more difficult to avoid that stuff though unless you buy all fresh veggies, meats, and grains/cereals.


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#43 2008-07-23 11:03 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

There is nothing in walking distance to my house and there never has been.

Guess I'll have to sell my house and move.


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#44 2008-07-23 10:16 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

When I'm in shape, I look for calorie content to make sure I'm getting enough. Yay for 40 miles at 22 mph, in the foothills! Man I love riding my bike.

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#45 2008-07-23 10:26 pm

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I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate reasons to drive to do your shopping, but it is having an impact on our natural exercise, so when we drive all around town, it is important that you set aside some of the time saved for exercise. Most people don't.


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#46 2008-07-23 10:48 pm

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

resedit wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

resedit wrote:


What the hell is walkability?

The ability to conduct your life walking opposed to driving. Like how I live 2 blocks away from a grocery store.

You can still live that way. I do. It's a 20 minute walk, not two blocks, to the grocery store.
The problem is people have gotten lazy. Why walk 20 minutes when you can hop in your car or call for delivery?

This btw is why I don't buy all the bull smurf about how bad this country is doing economically.
We still live like spoiled rotten brats.

Walking back though, lugging a bunch of bags must suck. Though if you do that you could probably skip working out at the gym.


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#47 2008-07-30 6:37 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

I read that L.A. intends to ban more fast food joints in certain impoverished areas because of an obesity epidemic. The city council intends to attract businesses that offer healthier food to those places.


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#48 2008-07-30 10:13 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

If they outlaw twinkies, only outlaws will have twinkies !


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#49 2008-07-30 10:28 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

Ribtorus wrote:

I read that L.A. intends to ban more fast food joints in certain impoverished areas because of an obesity epidemic. The city council intends to attract businesses that offer healthier food to those places.

...which will promptly go out of business because good food is expensive, to be replaced by new fast-food places.


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#50 2008-07-30 10:52 am

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Re: A disclosure law for fat folks

everlong205 wrote:

resedit wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:


The ability to conduct your life walking opposed to driving. Like how I live 2 blocks away from a grocery store.

You can still live that way. I do. It's a 20 minute walk, not two blocks, to the grocery store.
The problem is people have gotten lazy. Why walk 20 minutes when you can hop in your car or call for delivery?

This btw is why I don't buy all the bull smurf about how bad this country is doing economically.
We still live like spoiled rotten brats.

Walking back though, lugging a bunch of bags must suck. Though if you do that you could probably skip working out at the gym.

Try it some time.


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