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JakeTheTall wrote:

I'M JUST BIG BONED !11!

As stereotypic an excuse as that can be, in some people it's true.

Me, I'm big over big over big. Extra fat over large (though not exceptionally powerful) muscles over dense, stocky bones.

JakeTheTall wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

Actually it's not too far off according to the FDA. 2000 calories / 3 Meals = 666⅔ calories per meal. Then again the FDA doesn't always account for things like lean body mass, working hours, & environmental conditions.

That 2000 calories is for a ~135 pound woman.

Games within games, my friend.  The average height of an adult American woman is 1.63 m. The "ideal" BMI
is 21.5, which corresponds to a mass of 57 kg or 125 lbs.

Similarly, the average height of an adult American man is 1.77 m. For men, the "ideal" BMI is 22.5 which correspond to a mass of 70 kg or 154 lbs.

Those values are plugged into various formulae
For men (age 19)

TEE = 864 − 9.72 × age (years) + PA × [(14.2 × weight (kg) + 503 × height (meters)]

At pa=1, tee=2500 calories (sedentary)
At pa=1.12, tee=2800 calories (moderately active)
At pa=1.27, tee=3100 calories (active)
At pa=1.54. tee=3600 calories (very active)
For women:

TEE = 387 − 7.31 × age (years) + PA × [(10.9 × weight (kg) + 660.7 × height (meters)]

At pa=1, tee=2000 calories
At pa=1.14, tee=2200 calories
At pa=1.27, tee=2400 calories
At pa=1.45, tee=2700 calories

source

My values are 2200, 2400, 2600, and 3000 calories-- 2500 seems about right. Maybe less.

Ribtorus wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

This is why caloric content deserves much less attention than sugar content.

I've heard that Glycemic Index (some kind of carb measurement) of foods is important as well, for avoiding Type II Diabetes risks.

Sugars are carbohydrates, of course.

Carbs, (which typically get reduced to glucose in the digestive system), combined with fibre tend to have a more measured insulin reaction than carbs with low or no fibre.  Carbs with low or no fibre as a regular part of the diet can keep shocking the endocrine system to a point where it can no longer function properly. That's when the risk of diabetes is high.

True but as I said before its a little more complicated than that. If you had foods with identical carbohydrate makeup but one is nutrient dense while the other had very little in the line of vitamins and minerals. The foods with the higher nutrient density would have a higher glycemic value.

True but you have to consider other nutrients, including fats, proteins, vitamin and mineral affect how glucose enters the blood stream to a degree. Maybe not the same degree  and not in the same manner as carb composition but it does affect it.

Last edited by ScifiterX (2008-07-31 5:05 pm)

ScifiterX wrote:

True but you have to consider other nutrients, including fats, proteins, vitamin and mineral affect how glucose enters the blood stream to a degree.

Are you in the business of designing food?

ScifiterX wrote:

One doesn't need to be because there are literally years of research available to the public that show that.

The Glycemic Index debate: Does the type of carbohydrate really matter?

JakeTheTall wrote:

I'm a little sensitive because the BMI lists me as overweight, even though I'm a fit individual over 200 lbs.

According to the BMI, I'm fit and obese at the same time! I love that stupid thing.

jerwin wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

One doesn't need to be because there are literally years of research available to the public that show that.

The Glycemic Index debate: Does the type of carbohydrate really matter?

Pretty much supports what I was saying. (Though I will admit I had the whole high low thing backwords.) In case you didn't know preparation & quality of food affect the nutritional values of food. Vitamins decay, vitamin and minerals get cooked out, and because conditions in different areas are different do are the quality of otherwise identical crops. Fat (believe it or not) is a nutrient yet foods with it have lower GI scores. The effects aren't even limited to just after ingestion. Down the road the quality of nutrition you have now can affect the GI score of the same quality food because it affects how you metabolize it.

jerwin wrote:

"eat less and exercise" is far simpler.

Eat more and exercise less is the American Way™.
You some kind of commie?

That's just smurfing stupid.

Ribtorus wrote:

McCain should sell some of his (wife's) houses to show how in touch with the people he is.

He'd have to use the profits to ease social ills, after he still not out any money (it's just more liquid).