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#1 2008-07-30 1:41 pm

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Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

Note that this article is from the Washington Post:

For four days, Sen. John McCain and his allies have accused Sen. Barack Obama of snubbing wounded soldiers by canceling a visit to a military hospital because he could not take reporters with him, despite no evidence that the charge is true.

The attacks are part of a newly aggressive McCain operation whose aim is to portray the Democratic presidential candidate as a craven politician more interested in his image than in ailing soldiers, a senior McCain adviser said. They come despite repeated pledges by the Republican that he will never question his rival's patriotism.

The essence of McCain's allegation is that Obama planned to take a media entourage, including television cameras, to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany during his week-long foreign trip, and that he canceled the visit when he learned he could not do so. "I know that, according to reports, that he wanted to bring media people and cameras and his campaign staffers," McCain said Monday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

The Obama campaign has denied that was the reason he called off the visit. In fact, there is no evidence that he planned to take anyone to the American hospital other than a military adviser, whose status as a campaign staff member sparked last-minute concern among Pentagon officials that the visit would be an improper political event.

"Absolutely, unequivocally wrong," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said in an e-mail after McCain's comments to Larry King.

Despite serious and repeated queries about the charge over several days, McCain and his allies continued yesterday to question Obama's patriotism by focusing attention on the canceled hospital visit.

McCain's campaign released a statement from retired Sgt. Maj. Craig Layton, who worked as a commander at the hospital, who said: "If Senator Obama isn't comfortable meeting wounded American troops without his entourage, perhaps he does not have the experience necessary to serve as commander in chief."

McCain's advisers said they do not intend to back down from the charge, believing it an effective way to create a "narrative" about what they say is Obama's indifference toward the military.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said again yesterday that the Republican's version of events is correct, and that Obama canceled the visit because he was not allowed to take reporters and cameras into the hospital.

"It is safe to say that, according to press reports, Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," he said. "We're not making a leap here."

Asked repeatedly for the "reports," Bounds provided three examples, none of which alleged that Obama had wanted to take members of the media to the hospital.

This is particularly low:

The McCain campaign has produced a television commercial that says that while in Germany, Obama "made time to go to the gym but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras." The commercial shows Obama shooting a basketball -- an event that happened earlier in the trip on a stopover in Kuwait, where the Democrat spoke to troops in a gym before grabbing a ball and taking a single shot. The military released the video footage.

A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision not to visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip, shows that his campaign never contemplated taking the media with him.

On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had visited wounded soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the District and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the week -- both times without reporters.

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...and of course it's only going to get worse.  Check out the new ad.  Britney Spears and Paris Hilton?


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#2 2008-07-30 1:46 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

Oh, I dunno. I'm very pleased at how clean it's been so far.

And personally I think the Britney/Paris shots were more amusing than anything else.


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#3 2008-07-30 1:52 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

Britney and Paris? whaa...


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#4 2008-07-30 1:53 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

I don't see anything particularly "clean" regarding the message the article speaks to.


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#5 2008-07-30 2:12 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

McCain's a scumbag and his wife is a smurf.


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#6 2008-07-30 2:13 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

bratboy wrote:

I don't see anything particularly "clean" regarding the message the article speaks to.

Aw c'mon, that's really mild. Christ, it's practically saintly compared to the last couple of presidential campaigns.


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#7 2008-07-30 2:28 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

We'll have to agree to disagree.  I don't think the [false] accusation that your opponent is only willing to meet with injured soldiers when the media is around is appropriate, particularly coming from someone who from my understanding vowed to stay above the fray.


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#8 2008-07-30 2:31 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

He's a politician, if can convince anyone he is "above the fray" and not swimming in it, then he must be doing a good job at being full of it.


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#9 2008-07-30 2:49 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

McCane's just pissed that no politician visited HIM when he was laid up at the Hanoi Hilton.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#10 2008-07-30 2:50 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

I came across an article a few minutes ago about the 2000 Bush campaign vowing to stay positive and honest, but I can't find it now.

lol

McCain did learn from the best.


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#11 2008-07-30 2:50 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

bratboy wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree.  I don't think the [false] accusation that your opponent is only willing to meet with injured soldiers when the media is around is appropriate, particularly coming from someone who from my understanding vowed to stay above the fray.

I didn't say all's well in munchkinland, just that McCain's transgressions are pretty damn mild in the light of recent history.


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#12 2008-07-30 2:52 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I didn't say all's well in munchkinland, just that McCain's transgressions are pretty damn mild in the light of recent history.

I predict worse is to come.  Didn't he hire the guy who created that ad attacking Harold Ford in 2006 (the white woman "call me" ad)?


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#13 2008-07-30 2:57 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

bratboy wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I didn't say all's well in munchkinland, just that McCain's transgressions are pretty damn mild in the light of recent history.

I predict worse is to come.  Didn't he hire the guy who created that ad attacking Harold Ford in 2006 (the white woman "call me" ad)?

I really don't see it getting to that point. Not in a national campaign.

But then again I sure as hell didn't expect Hillary to embrace the Klanners, so what the hell do I know, eh?


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#14 2008-07-30 2:57 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Oh, I dunno. I'm very pleased at how clean it's been so far.

And personally I think the Britney/Paris shots were more amusing than anything else.

MORE foreign oil?

What the hell is that bit about raising taxes on electricity? That's gotta be a serious bit of warp-age.

Just gotta love the only talk is about oil and nothing about any alternates. He's befrit of ideas.


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#15 2008-07-30 3:00 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

user wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Oh, I dunno. I'm very pleased at how clean it's been so far.

And personally I think the Britney/Paris shots were more amusing than anything else.

MORE foreign oil?

What the hell is that bit about raising taxes on electricity? That's gotta be a serious bit of warp-age.

Just gotta love the only talk is about oil and nothing about any alternates. He's befrit of ideas.

Bah, that's just spin. Both sides do that. How about the constant associations of McCain with Bush?

In reality, of course, the two parties are on agreement on probably 9/10ths of policy.


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#16 2008-07-30 3:03 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

That's not nearly on the same level as claiming that Obama is that candidate of Hamas and Castro.


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#17 2008-07-30 3:13 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

bratboy wrote:

That's not nearly on the same level as claiming that Obama is that candidate of Hamas and Castro.

An under-the-radar web ad????

It's not cool, but come on -- it's pretty minor, no?


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#18 2008-07-30 3:21 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

Perhaps you're assuming that I'm asserting this to be some horrible act that deserves severe condemnation...I'm not.  But is it so mild as to not justify even mentioning in conversation?

It seems like some in his own party are even concerned...

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#19 2008-07-30 3:38 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

bratboy wrote:

That's not nearly on the same level as claiming that Obama is that candidate of Hamas and Castro.

An under-the-radar web ad????

It's not cool, but come on -- it's pretty minor, no?

All that has to happen is that one of the major media picks up on this, and BOOM! Free advertising, a la Swiftboaters.


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#20 2008-07-30 3:42 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

D'Eyncourt wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

bratboy wrote:

That's not nearly on the same level as claiming that Obama is that candidate of Hamas and Castro.

An under-the-radar web ad????

It's not cool, but come on -- it's pretty minor, no?

All that has to happen is that one of the major media picks up on this, and BOOM! Free advertising, a la Swiftboaters.

No way, the Swift Boating was something different, something extreme. Downright Nixonian that was.


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#21 2008-07-30 3:43 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

bratboy wrote:

Perhaps you're assuming that I'm asserting this to be some horrible act that deserves severe condemnation...I'm not.  But is it so mild as to not justify even mentioning in conversation?

It seems like some in his own party are even concerned...

shrug

I guess it all depends on the degree to which one would have been justified in accepting his "clean campaign" assertion.


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#22 2008-07-30 3:46 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

He may have only been pledging to always wear fresh boxers


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#23 2008-07-30 3:51 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I guess it all depends on the degree to which one would have been justified in accepting his "clean campaign" assertion.

One doesn't have to actually believe someone's words to fairly use them against him.

cool


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#24 2008-07-30 4:14 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

Indeed, or what's a MiniThink for?


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#25 2008-07-30 4:35 pm

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Re: Is this the honest and dignified campaign that McCain promised?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Oh, I dunno. I'm very pleased at how clean it's been so far.

And personally I think the Britney/Paris shots were more amusing than anything else.

There's supposedly an ad somewhere blaming Obama for high gas prices.


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